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Should we have a 'Robin Hood' tax?
William Bishop
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:12:43(UTC)
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As frequently pointed out, this could only operate on a basis of international agreement, which seems unlikely to be forthcoming, otherwise most trading would merely transfer to non-taxable jurisdictions.

I was instinctively against this idea originally as an unnecessary restriction on market freedom. Nevertheless, viewing, for instance, the huge volume of algorithm-driven high frequency trading on miniscule margins that seems to benefit no one except investment banks, I do wonder if it is not something whose time should have come, in the inerests of shifting the balance somewhat back towards longer-term investing. If more shares were still in the hands of long-term investors, there might, for instance, be a rather better chance of more effective shareholder action to restrain excesses in executive pay, which is another issue that needs to be addressed.
Jon
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:17:03(UTC)
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Joined: 10/06/2010(UTC)
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Like many taxes this is far removed from the basis of taxing those who gain the most from society. It is popular as Jo Public has no understanding of who ultimately foots the bill. He thinks that only the wealthy and "banks" will suffer. I suppose if he has a DB pension scheme he is not worried about pension funds. But his bank charges and insurance will go up not to mention everything else which relies on financial transactions such as all imports and exports.

Too many politicians think that extra stealth taxes can be introduced as though there is a bottomless pit. But they al have to be paid by the populations, and they all transfer waelth from the private sector to the state. We just cannot afford to pay for all of the useless things the state does. So halve the EEC budget for a start.

Even if the only the banks paid, do not forget tyhat someone owns the banks, and they are really the ones paying. Pension funds, the taxpayer.......
Keith Snell
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:19:13(UTC)
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Joined: 23/08/2009(UTC)
Posts: 15

A financial transaction tax is ludicrous we have one called VAT which we pay every time we buy something. If however we mean we should tax the likes of fFred the shred for extortion and Vince Cable for VAT fraud I would be all in favour of it.
Neil Murphy
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:26:11(UTC)
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Joined: 06/12/2009(UTC)
Posts: 14

Frank Randall: It has to be the opposite of unilateral. Unilateral would mean that e.g. UK would tax alone, whereas what is needed if such a tax were imposed, it would need to be multilateral or more properly universal.
mary maddock
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:27:58(UTC)
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Joined: 22/09/2011(UTC)
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All taxation is enforced charitable giving (or maybe straightforward theft). It is taking money by force of law from those that work and handing it out to those chosen by government to receive the "donations".
The liberal elite,like the Archbishop are soooo good at handing out other people's money. Let us all be freed from the constraints of taxation. There'd not be much of a Welfare State then, would there?
nickle
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:53:47(UTC)
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Joined: 15/09/2011(UTC)
Posts: 62

Nevertheless, viewing, for instance, the huge volume of algorithm-driven high frequency trading on miniscule margins that seems to benefit no one except investment banks

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Easy to show this is not the case by counter example.

Lets say we get rid of the speculators and middle men. We do this for the FX market. So what's the effect?

First if you want to go to Spain, you need to find someone in the Eurozone who wants to come to the UK, in order to exchange your GBP for EUR. You can't go to a middle man like a bank (bureau d'exchange or a speculator). Isn't life going to be wonderful

What the middle men and speculators do, and at a remarkably narrow margin is provide liquidity. They will take your money off you, and take the risk until they can offload it to someone else. That's what the speculators do as a service, plus make money if they can for their investors.
nickle
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:54:52(UTC)
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Joined: 15/09/2011(UTC)
Posts: 62

Nice idea and maybe Bill Gates and The Sage of Omaha are right.

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Nothing stopping them from handing over money now. Same goes for all those proposing a Tobin tax.

So Gavin Lumsden, how much did you pay last year for a Tobin tax voluntarily?
nickle
Posted: 02 November 2011 19:56:11(UTC)
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Joined: 15/09/2011(UTC)
Posts: 62

If more shares were still in the hands of long-term investors,

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Or why don't you propose that you can't sell shares unless you have held them for 10 years? You get the long term investor, but you also get the long term fraud.
nickle
Posted: 02 November 2011 20:04:40(UTC)
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Joined: 15/09/2011(UTC)
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The liberal elite,like the Archbishop are soooo good at handing out other people's money.

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What's also interesting, is when was the last time they ever said thank you to the people they are taking the money from.

I did the calculation earlier for what people had been taking from the Welfare system in Westminister. It's frightening.

This is for a family with 5 children. Add up child benefit, child tax credit, free (paid for by others) health care, education, income benefits and housing benefits and there were people getting 170,000 pounds a year. [At least with the HB cuts that is going to be reduced, but not by much.

Does any one here take home over 170K a year?

So Williams like a lot of the protesters are deluded. It's because of this mass socialism and taxes in particular, that they are poor. New taxes do not make the poor richer, they make them and others poorer.

JEREMY NORFOLK
Posted: 02 November 2011 20:29:03(UTC)
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Joined: 27/03/2008(UTC)
Posts: 1

The critical difference between Robin Hood and Tobin, is that the income of R Hood's bishops and barons was 100% local - if it wasn't generated in that precise locality, it wouldn't be generated at all. Tobin aims to tax an activity which has 100% no local connection. It can and would be generated anywhere in the world.
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