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bédé
Posted: 01 August 2022 15:54:57(UTC)
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Robert D;232871 wrote:
I agree - the idle and feckless capitalist class. Cornered all the wealth over the past 30 years yet it's never enough.

I disagree. They've been trying to corner the wealth and power since 1066. And probably longer. Power to the conquerors.
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Robert D
Posted: 01 August 2022 15:57:36(UTC)
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Bulldog Drummond;232874 wrote:

One can never be too rich or too thin. But it's the moderately well off working middle classes who pay for the unemployable layabouts (two kids, no father, council house) and the incompetent state sector.


One can never be too rich or too idle. But it's every ordinary family in the country who are paying for the unemployable layabouts (eight kids, by six women, estate in the Cotwolds, London pied-a-terre, chalet in Gstaad) and the corrupt tax-dodging private sector
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Bulldog Drummond
Posted: 01 August 2022 16:02:18(UTC)
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Robert D;232894 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232874 wrote:

One can never be too rich or too thin. But it's the moderately well off working middle classes who pay for the unemployable layabouts (two kids, no father, council house) and the incompetent state sector.


One can never be too rich or too idle. But it's every ordinary family in the country who are paying for the unemployable layabouts (eight kids, by six women, estate in the Cotwolds, London pied-a-terre, chalet in Gstaad) and the corrupt tax-dodging private sector

Hatless, I take off my bicycle clips. and stand in awe.
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bédé
Posted: 01 August 2022 16:04:01(UTC)
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Bulldog Drummond;232887 wrote:
people on this forum are extraordinarily lucky.

I'm not one of them. I'm not lucky; I started with a few natural advantages (most do) and then worked hard.

Two advantages I had were:

1. Two parents who taught me the essential things in life, before school.

2. A good school education.


I say, encourage, somehow, parents to take responsibilty. Bring back Grammar Schools.
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ANDREW FOSTER on 01/08/2022(UTC), Keith Cobby on 01/08/2022(UTC)
Dave123 Jones
Posted: 01 August 2022 16:26:23(UTC)
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Captain Slugwash;232863 wrote:


I believe it was trialled in Finland and discontinued.


Wales has recently began a small trial which I think will run for three years. Details on link below.
https://gov.wales/wales-...ots-basic-income-scheme

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Easyrider on 01/08/2022(UTC)
Dave123 Jones
Posted: 01 August 2022 16:34:24(UTC)
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Captain Slugwash;232863 wrote:

I believe it was trialled in Finland and discontinued.

Some details on the link below, I wonder in say 100 or more years time when all our factories only contain robots and most jobs have been taken over by AI, something like UBI maybe essential to prevent a revolution.
https://www.mckinsey.com...m-universal-basic-income
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Easyrider
Posted: 01 August 2022 16:38:31(UTC)
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andy mac;232773 wrote:
Easyrider;232752 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232749 wrote:
Tim D;232748 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232690 wrote:
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free


The rate the Tory leadership candidates are spewing new policies, it can't be too long until one of them announces "and we'll beat food price inflation by issuing every household with a free egg-laying chicken!".

One of the French kings, a few hundred years ago, had a slogan of "A chicken in every pot". Until surprisingly recently, chicken was usually the most expensive thing on a menu.

A problem I have with all exciting new policies is that the last time one of them was actually to my advantage was decades ago, when Lawson reduced the top rate from 60% to 40%. Every other policy in my lifetime has just been a means of extracting money from me to pass on to people and things about whom and which i care nothing.


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Thanks Bulldog. I've benefited enormously from your largesse. .
1) Free orange juice and halibut oil capsules in the 1940s.
2) Maximum university grant.
3) 32 shillings and sixpence playing soldiers in the University OTC which paid for 7 drambuies.
4) Two minor operations on the NHS.
5) Generous post-graduate grant paid for by Government.
6) Winter fuel allowance used to buy 10 bottles of malt.
7) Free perscriptions once I reached 65.
8) Full New State Pension.
9) Free eye tests.
10) Recently put on a Microsoft teams pre-pre-diabetes programme and given ECG and blood pressure test. Aff "free" at the point of delivery.

I'm sure I must have enjoyed additional measures which Bulldog has funded but can't think of them offhand.
Oh! I forgot. I don't know if you have children, Bulldog, but I have two and you possibly contributed to their child benefit.
You should be proud Bulldog, being so public spirited.


Can I just fact check that
If you were getting free juice and tabletsin the 40s you must be at least 72 and probably a bit older
If you are that age then you will not be get a full new state pension
You will get the full pension I agree but it is not the new state pension
Also you have been getting free prescriptions since age 60
but why let the facts get in the way of a good story
Are you a politician by any chance


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I am significantly older than 72.
My State pension has been fully explored and explained in a previous thread. My State pension is 9,703.72 per annum which is similar in total to the new State pension.
You are correct in saying that it is not the new State pension: it's the old State pension with additions, one of which is the large number of years I have contributed.
I started work when I was 22 and worked until 66. I also worked and paid contributions when I worked during Summer vacations when at university and during my final year at school.
I can't remember when I first received "free" prescriptions. I thought it was 65 but it could have been 60.
I do recall receiving the Winter Fuel Allowance of £200 per annum but when my wife became eligible it was reduced to £100 for me and £100 for my wife.
Not a politician and certainly not a responsibility I would find attractive.
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Joe C
Posted: 01 August 2022 16:56:07(UTC)
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bédé;232897 wrote:
Bulldog Drummond;232887 wrote:
people on this forum are extraordinarily lucky.

I'm not one of them. I'm not lucky; I started with a few natural advantages (most do) and then worked hard.

Two advantages I had were:

1. Two parents who taught me the essential things in life, before school.

2. A good school education.



I'd be interested to hear how these two (as you call them) 'natural advantages' which you have built upon - can somehow be down to something else other than 'luck'?

Did you - through sheer skill and hard work - manage to gestate in the right womb?
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Fife Clive on 01/08/2022(UTC)
Baron Wuffet
Posted: 01 August 2022 17:27:18(UTC)
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The BBC's report on the Finland experiment can be read here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47169549
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 01 August 2022 18:12:03(UTC)
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Baron Wuffet;232910 wrote:
The BBC's report on the Finland experiment can be read here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47169549


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Mr Simanainen says that while some individuals found work, they were no more likely to do so than a control group of people who weren't given the money. They are still trying to work out exactly why this is


LOL, seriously, don't they know....?


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