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Does the UK currently have a growth plan?
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Tom 123
Posted: 12 December 2022 16:32:52(UTC)
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Kwarteng's growth plan, still on gov website:

https://www.gov.uk/gover...wth-plan-2022-documents

Is this:

1) Revoked?

2) Still applicable?

3) To be updated?

The last budget offered little on productivity, investment, growth. Or is there a plan?
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Posted: 12 December 2022 17:55:08(UTC)
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Potential Government Response / Explanation
No one in - Lights out (if anyone asks we are saving money)
Keeping a low profile (excellent inverse tactic to BoJo - hope it works )
Internal Memo (let hope people focus on Russia, Ukraine, and anything but us)
When things come back we need everyone to jump out and say we fixed it (lets hope it is in the next year)
and, No Parties,.. Repeat No Parties whatsoever, Not even a tipple, (hell keep Tea & Coffee away)

As for Growth Plan - we simply do not have done.
We just need to stick to warning people that more pain is coming.
Then get some stats to show we did better than the last 3 PM's and be deemed excellent.
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Keith Cobby
Posted: 12 December 2022 18:31:46(UTC)
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Country is ex-growth and has been for many years. Spending hundreds of millions to pay people not to work and businesses to stay closed. Inflicting penal rates of income tax on those who do work, killing aspiration. What has really surprised me recently though is the size of UC payments to those who work a few hours a week, it's no wonder so many want to come here, truly the land of milk and honey. How can there be growth when people don't want to work and are so heavily penalised when they do.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 12 December 2022 18:38:34(UTC)
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Productivity is down to individuals not the Government.

Current round of strikes, Just Oil protests destroy any hopes of people who want to achieve.

Trade once lost is gone. People simply travel elsewhere, buy elsewhere etc etc.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 12 December 2022 18:40:02(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;250540 wrote:
Spending hundreds of millions to pay people not to work and businesses to stay closed.


The Government would have simply picked up a huge redundancy tab. Far bigger than the cost of furlough.
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Posted: 12 December 2022 18:51:58(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;250542 wrote:
Keith Cobby;250540 wrote:
Spending hundreds of millions to pay people not to work and businesses to stay closed.


The Government would have simply picked up a huge redundancy tab. Far bigger than the cost of furlough.


Not the point, Sweden didn't lock down. Our government chose to close the economy to non essential output.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 12 December 2022 19:14:50(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;250547 wrote:
Thrugelmir;250542 wrote:
Keith Cobby;250540 wrote:
Spending hundreds of millions to pay people not to work and businesses to stay closed.


The Government would have simply picked up a huge redundancy tab. Far bigger than the cost of furlough.


Not the point, Sweden didn't lock down. Our government chose to close the economy to non essential output.


Sweden is a very place to the UK. Assume you've never been there. Far less crowded,
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Easyrider on 15/12/2022(UTC)
Tim D
Posted: 12 December 2022 23:08:45(UTC)
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Tom 123;250521 wrote:
Kwarteng's growth plan, still on gov website


I wouldn't be fooled by the "growth plan" rebrand... despite that brief government's cult-like obsession with the term, it was just another budget... not some new national "strategy" or "policy" thing. And if I look at recent previous budgets:
https://www.gov.uk/gover...ical-events/budget-2020
https://www.gov.uk/gover...ts/spending-review-2020
https://www.gov.uk/gover...ical-events/budget-2021
https://www.gov.uk/gover...nd-spending-review-2021
they're still there, just with an "Archived" tag on top of the page.
I'd expect the page at
https://www.gov.uk/gover...-events/the-growth-plan
to get the same "Archived" tag at some point (I note https://www.gov.uk/gover...s/spring-statement-2022 doesn't have one yet either).
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Robert D
Posted: 13 December 2022 00:19:26(UTC)
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There won't be any growth until the UK resolves its longstanding productivity problem which involves massive investment to create a better skilled workforce. Education, training, skills, infrastructure - all require long term investment and a long term plan

Government has a huge role to play in this. Investing in the NHS creates growth, investing in public services creates growth, investing in the green economy creates growth, investing in people and skills creates growth.

And giving workers decent pay rises and putting money in their pockets creates growth
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Strangways
Posted: 15 December 2022 15:31:15(UTC)
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Robert D;250576 wrote:
There won't be any growth until the UK resolves its longstanding productivity problem which involves massive investment to create a better skilled workforce. Education, training, skills, infrastructure - all require long term investment and a long term plan

Government has a huge role to play in this. Investing in the NHS creates growth, investing in public services creates growth, investing in the green economy creates growth, investing in people and skills creates growth.

And giving workers decent pay rises and putting money in their pockets creates growth


Investing in the NHS is pissing money away on the worst health service in the developed world. No other country in the world has copied our model, for good reason. Every other developed country provides better healthcare to its citizens. At the moment we have a health service that no-one uses if they can afford not to. It's really grim and pretending that its ever going to improve is ludicrous.
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