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Climate Change - The Agenda
Jonathan Friend
Posted: 23 July 2023 09:55:36(UTC)

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On Chris Packham, I note he is quite far along the BBC spectrum of specialness. Has mental health issues, including aspergers syndrome, and also suffers from the usual hypocrisy. He has a website promoting his tours of the planet, which include long haul flights... so the usual inconsistency and confusion.

Which other "science" is conducted and promoted in this way?

Isn't young Greta also on the autism spectrum? And quite a few of these just stop oil folk appear to be a bit... different. Is there something in this? Where have we seen this before?









Packham also suffers from episodes of depression. Not that I care to defend him particularly, but are the likes of he and Greta, and the JSO goons, being taken advantage of by people with blatant agendas? There's something a bit wrong about it.
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Jonathan Friend;274001 wrote:


China and India have built 7 new coal fired power stations in the time it took you to paste that blue pilled vomit all over the forum.



The post to which you refer was far too long for me and I barely skimmed it.
But I think your comment in relation to it goes too far and you should apologise.
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Jonathan Friend
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TJL;274024 wrote:
Jonathan Friend;274001 wrote:


China and India have built 7 new coal fired power stations in the time it took you to paste that blue pilled vomit all over the forum.



The post to which you refer was far too long for me and I barely skimmed it.
But I think your comment in relation to it goes too far and you should apologise.


Nah.

I'd like an apology from all the grifters who are wrecking this country with this and other nonsense. What they're doing is orders of magnitude worse than somebody posting words on an Internet forum. What they're doing has real life consequences.

How about an apology from Ed Miliband for the stifling and dangerous climate legislation he helped to spearhead in the dying days of the last Labour government? How about an apology from private jet Ed for the high gas prices and 70,000 jobs thst won't happen in Lancashire thanks to his grifting?

How about an apology from the BBC for the damage it does to open and healthy discussion on this subject?

How about an apology from the billionaire who bankrolls just stop oil for all the disorder caused, and for planning to start a new airline (yes! That's his plan).

How about an apology from the wind farm companies for chopping down tens of millions of trees, killing millions of birds, and ruining our beautiful landscapes?

That's just a start.

The side of the argument you're on has the full force of the elites behind it and practically all possibility to even entertain alternative views has been crushed. Regardless of the obvious shortcomings. It is all that thinking people can do to express their reasonable views and frustrations to post online and otherwise grumble quietly. Then you demand an apology for it. Talk about having your cake and eating it.
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ANDREW FOSTER
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Climate change is the single biggest health threat facing humanity. Climate impacts are already harming health, through air pollution, disease, extreme weather events, forced displacement, pressures on mental health, and increased hunger and poor nutrition in places where people cannot grow or find sufficient food. Every year, environmental factors take the lives of around 13 million people. Changing weather patterns are expanding diseases, and extreme weather events increase deaths and make it difficult for health care systems to keep up.



Err nope. Climate change is not the biggest threat to humanity.

Over population and population rise is the biggest threat by a country mile.

Pollution, resource degradation and emission are just a consequence.

While the world focusses on microscopic changes in CO2 it ignores a much more important change. That the oxygen content of the atmosphere is reducing. That oxygen that we need to be alive. Only a small drop, but a drop nonetheless. And that is happening because we are chopping down the rain forests which produce oxygen.

And that is happening due to population rise and consumption of everything from palm oil to teak garden furniture.

And no one is even talking about oxygen....

https://www.oxygenlevels.org/


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Jonathan Friend
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What evidence is there of over population?

Even in this small crowded country 90% of the landmass is undeveloped.

Energy and other commodities would be dirt cheap if it were not for taxes and other self inflicted harm such as war. A litre of petrol is cheaper than a litre of water without the taxes, and that's after all the complexity of extraction, refinement, transportation, storage. Aren't humans miraculous in their endeavours and achievements?

There is plenty for all and technology will keep bringing more security and abundance if we don't needlessly stifle growth and innovation. Note that the climate socialists, grifters and loonies cause the opposite effect and are therefore harmful to the environment in the long run.
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ANDREW FOSTER
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Jonathan Friend;274030 wrote:


What evidence is there of over population?



Because the rate of rise of population is unsustainable. I don't mean over a few decades I mean over the next 200 years.

Unused land is of little use if it's tundra or ice sheets or desert sands or snow covered pine forest.

What undeveloped useable land is available is small, without chopping down the remaining rain forest that produces our oxygen.

200,000 extra new consumers every day cannot go on indefinitely.
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Jimmy Page
Posted: 23 July 2023 12:41:13(UTC)

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ANDREW FOSTER;274031 wrote:
Jonathan Friend;274030 wrote:


What evidence is there of over population?



Because the rate of rise of population is unsustainable. I don't mean over a few decades I mean over the next 200 years.

Unused land is of little use if it's tundra or ice sheets or desert sands or snow covered pine forest.

What undeveloped useable land is available is small, without chopping down the remaining rain forest that produces our oxygen.

200,000 extra new consumers every day cannot go on indefinitely.

But isn't the rate of rise already falling off a cliff? Rates started falling in the sixties.
As to total population, current 8 billion forecast to rise more slowly to 9.7 billion by 2050, then peak at a surprisingly specific 10.4 billion by 2084.
(According to this unholy alliance of UN modelling, and wiki.)
https://en.wikipedia.org...ns_of_population_growth
Note, passing reference to other studies with peak pop. projected 2060-70..
Jonathan Friend
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ANDREW FOSTER;274031 wrote:
Jonathan Friend;274030 wrote:


What evidence is there of over population?



Because the rate of rise of population is unsustainable. I don't mean over a few decades I mean over the next 200 years.

Unused land is of little use if it's tundra or ice sheets or desert sands or snow covered pine forest.

What undeveloped useable land is available is small, without chopping down the remaining rain forest that produces our oxygen.

200,000 extra new consumers every day cannot go on indefinitely.


People have been saying that for hundreds of years.

We cannot forsee what ingenuity will arise in future and help to realise vast new resources and ways to inhabit and cultivate more regions of the earth, and beyond.

A person of 200 years ago would find our world and achievements completely incomprehensible - images and moving film that can flow through the air, contraptions that carry a thousand people into the clouds and cross the globe in hours, buildings that soar into the sky, apparently limitless food and luxury.

There is every chance that progress carries on apace, if allowed to as it previously was. You and I will find the future, 200 years hence, incomprehensible.

In any case, it is in our nature as living organisms to keep surviving and pushing on regardless, or it is in the nature of the winners to do so. What is the alternative, to die out through choice? Those who have balls, strength and ambition will win. We in the West can be as pessimistic and negative as we like, the other countries and tribes will carry on, as China and India are doing, and the winners will call the shots.

It goes to show how pathetic this declining civilization has become that the dominant message is one of hopelessness and despair. Inventing intellectual detritus that dresses up weakness and cowardice as virtue. Chris Packham describes his thoughts as "a great, hopeless vacuum." An ideal spokesman for the climate tripe and a true representative of the state we're in. Thankfully, the universe doesn't reward such misery.

I prefer to be positive and play the game. The alternative is a depressive losing approach.

May the best and strongest win, and three cheers to those who do!
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Interesting debate and seems a very polarising and political discussion which is unfortunate. All we want are facts and I think this might be a case where there isn't much evidence for either sides. both for the case of actual climate change happening and whether it is man-made or not (if climate change is a "thing").

In any case, surely we should be erring on the side of caution here? Shouldn't we all do our bit to reduce waste and unnecessary consumption? To become more efficient? Even if any apparent climate change isn't actually man made, then we are stilling making our world a better, healthier place by reducing consumption?

This applies to the vast majority of low income and middle class sections on our population as it does to the rich and wealthy. There shouldn't be any hypocrisy in this.

We also need to stop focusing on GDP metrics and focus on quality of life for ourselves and that means a more sustainable and green environment.
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Dexi
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The UK only accounts for 1 % of global CO2 emissions , so even if we give in to the climate loonies and go back to living in the stone age , it won`t make any difference to the fate of the planet .
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