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Money and Budget 2023 Nov Predictions
MBA MBA
Posted: 18 October 2023 13:19:57(UTC)
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Newbie;282941 wrote:
Tea leaves saying

- Keep ISA same broadly speaking
- Perhaps add new slice for UK investments - Maybe link to LISA
- Keep pension access age to 55 - in the guise unlike SP we did not increase access age.
- TFC @ 25% maintained
- Increase savings allowance
- Reduce Dividend allowance
- FTB to get some more govt support/guarantee for mortgages
- Increase duty on booze, fags and fuel
- Levy some charges on junk food and fatty stuff and link it back to NHS
- Have a feeling the housbuilders may face a steamroller of sorts this time round
- UK Tech and science related investments will get a boost
- Landlords (private) will get a slap on the wrist
- Immigration - "We will attract the brightest and best (Tech & Science link)" - ignore the boats
- Cut back on benefits - help people to get to work.
- NI will increase, Income tax slightly.
- 2nd Property CGT increase in line.

As for winning - well Labour is disintegrating thanks to Israel and Hamas. I hear many of their members and councilors are quitting !

Now to put the kettle on again.


"best and brightest". I think the min income threshold for a skilled worker visa to the UK is around £26k.
Sinic
Posted: 20 October 2023 12:19:37(UTC)
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A massively broad topic to address. Despite Labour's recent gaffs and reducing support in the opinion polls, the Tories (which is now a social democrat party) were destroyed in yesterdays by-elections. Unfortunately we will almost certainly have a Labour government within twelve months and Labour will be calling the shots.

I believe Labour monetary attacks will centre on the motorist (as per Khan's additional taxes- ULEZ and almost certainly pay-per-mile along with increased fuel duty to further encourage the lemmings to buy EVs) along with unearned income/capital gains taxes.

Any government attempting to benefit the country (which excludes the traditional three UK parties) would recognise the wealth imbalance between the elder generations (over 55/60) and the younger ones (under 40). The former on average hold a considerable majority of the nations wealth while the latter are relying on earnings which with interest rates and inflation prevent them building wealth and security (own homes, pension savings etc)

The inheritance tax threshold is in real terms lower than it has been in living memory at £375k and £125k (family home allowance) per deceased person. Inheritance tax is an abhorrent tax in that it taxes wealth which has already been taxed in one form or another and deprives the younger generations of a meaningful share in their family's wealth! I would like to see the IHT threshold increased to £1m.

Sadly this is a wish not a prediction! It is also a wish to see Income tax and NI merged into a single tax. A second wish would be to reduce the outrageous marginal rate of tax of around 60% between £100k and £120K before it reverts back to 40%. I would also like to see an initial tax free earning allowance increase to 75% of average earnings, and increased tax above £200k per annum to 50% and even higher above £500k.
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 20 October 2023 13:42:41(UTC)
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Mere tinkering...

I would like to see some really bold things done. Just a few ideas :-

Abolish high rate allowance on pensions.

Abolish VAT completely. Increase Income Tax to compensate.

Abolish Inheritance tax.

Somehow increase levels of tax allowance to UK manufacturing and production. Maybe via something similar to Venture Capital allowances.

Fund tuition fees for science, engineering, technology courses at University, tied though to working in the UK for ten years after graduation.

Scrap the push towards EV's and other green nonsense that has destroyed heavy industry. Get rid of ULEZ's etc.

Of course, no UK government has the courage to tackle such big matters.
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MBA MBA
Posted: 20 October 2023 18:18:03(UTC)
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Sinic;283161 wrote:
A massively broad topic to address. Despite Labour's recent gaffs and reducing support in the opinion polls, the Tories (which is now a social democrat party) were destroyed in yesterdays by-elections. Unfortunately we will almost certainly have a Labour government within twelve months and Labour will be calling the shots.

I believe Labour monetary attacks will centre on the motorist (as per Khan's additional taxes- ULEZ and almost certainly pay-per-mile along with increased fuel duty to further encourage the lemmings to buy EVs) along with unearned income/capital gains taxes.

Any government attempting to benefit the country (which excludes the traditional three UK parties) would recognise the wealth imbalance between the elder generations (over 55/60) and the younger ones (under 40). The former on average hold a considerable majority of the nations wealth while the latter are relying on earnings which with interest rates and inflation prevent them building wealth and security (own homes, pension savings etc)

The inheritance tax threshold is in real terms lower than it has been in living memory at £375k and £125k (family home allowance) per deceased person. Inheritance tax is an abhorrent tax in that it taxes wealth which has already been taxed in one form or another and deprives the younger generations of a meaningful share in their family's wealth! I would like to see the IHT threshold increased to £1m.

Sadly this is a wish not a prediction! It is also a wish to see Income tax and NI merged into a single tax. A second wish would be to reduce the outrageous marginal rate of tax of around 60% between £100k and £120K before it reverts back to 40%. I would also like to see an initial tax free earning allowance increase to 75% of average earnings, and increased tax above £200k per annum to 50% and even higher above £500k.


When uou keep on raising the tax free threshold you get more and more people who pay zero income and NICS. 40% of adults I think pay no income tax. Bottom 50% pay only 9%. Such people then keep on favouring ever higher pubic spending:
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MBA MBA
Posted: 20 October 2023 18:20:25(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;283183 wrote:
Mere tinkering...

I would like to see some really bold things done. Just a few ideas :-

Abolish high rate allowance on pensions.

Abolish VAT completely. Increase Income Tax to compensate.

Abolish Inheritance tax.

Somehow increase levels of tax allowance to UK manufacturing and production. Maybe via something similar to Venture Capital allowances.

Fund tuition fees for science, engineering, technology courses at University, tied though to working in the UK for ten years after graduation.

Scrap the push towards EV's and other green nonsense that has destroyed heavy industry. Get rid of ULEZ's etc.

Of course, no UK government has the courage to tackle such big matters.


Do you mean higher rate tax relief on pension contributions? That’s the only way PAYE employees can undertake tax avoidance. Their self employed, incorporated, Partnership counter parts have multiple tax avoidance opportunities
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Taltunes
Posted: 20 October 2023 19:43:23(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;283183 wrote:
Abolish VAT completely. Increase Income Tax to compensate.


The problem is it’s too easy at least for some people to avoid income tax.

VAT is harder to avoid which is why governments like it.
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 20 October 2023 21:27:35(UTC)
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Taltunes;283218 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;283183 wrote:
Abolish VAT completely. Increase Income Tax to compensate.


The problem is it’s too easy at least for some people to avoid income tax.

VAT is harder to avoid which is why governments like it.



VAT is regressive.

Poorer families that spend most of their income pay a higher proportion of VAT than high earners that spend their money on.... investments.

But just think of the bureaucracy and accounting costs saved. Along with eliminating a whole class of fraud.

Needs studying of course, but it's my idea.
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 20 October 2023 21:29:34(UTC)
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MBA MBA;283213 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;283183 wrote:
Mere tinkering...

I would like to see some really bold things done. Just a few ideas :-

Abolish high rate allowance on pensions.

Abolish VAT completely. Increase Income Tax to compensate.

Abolish Inheritance tax.

Somehow increase levels of tax allowance to UK manufacturing and production. Maybe via something similar to Venture Capital allowances.

Fund tuition fees for science, engineering, technology courses at University, tied though to working in the UK for ten years after graduation.

Scrap the push towards EV's and other green nonsense that has destroyed heavy industry. Get rid of ULEZ's etc.

Of course, no UK government has the courage to tackle such big matters.


Do you mean higher rate tax relief on pension contributions? That’s the only way PAYE employees can undertake tax avoidance. Their self employed, incorporated, Partnership counter parts have multiple tax avoidance opportunities


I'm all for closing tax loopholes and it encourages them to spend more in the economy earlier.

As with VAT it is a regressive tax benefit if that makes sense.
MBA MBA
Posted: 21 October 2023 07:09:33(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;283224 wrote:
MBA MBA;283213 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;283183 wrote:
Mere tinkering...

I would like to see some really bold things done. Just a few ideas :-

Abolish high rate allowance on pensions.

Abolish VAT completely. Increase Income Tax to compensate.

Abolish Inheritance tax.

Somehow increase levels of tax allowance to UK manufacturing and production. Maybe via something similar to Venture Capital allowances.

Fund tuition fees for science, engineering, technology courses at University, tied though to working in the UK for ten years after graduation.

Scrap the push towards EV's and other green nonsense that has destroyed heavy industry. Get rid of ULEZ's etc.

Of course, no UK government has the courage to tackle such big matters.


Do you mean higher rate tax relief on pension contributions? That’s the only way PAYE employees can undertake tax avoidance. Their self employed, incorporated, Partnership counter parts have multiple tax avoidance opportunities


I'm all for closing tax loopholes and it encourages them to spend more in the economy earlier.

As with VAT it is a regressive tax benefit if that makes sense.


It’s not a loophole, it’s deliberately designed to encourage people to save. The unintended consequence will also be that more money will be redirected into property fuelling HPI

People who earn £75-125k already pay punishing taxes. Someone on £109k Pa will pay £38.5k jn income tax alone this year and that’s before we start talking about council tax, capital gains tax etc but much more fundamentally the woeful nature of public services (health and esp schools) which all seem to be designed for a one size fits all lowest common denominator / dumbed down / take it or leave it model.

Meanwhile the couple living next door to us in a housing association property in their mid 20’s with 3 kids, who don’t appear to work, have a £30k car parked on the adjacent road with a disability badge will sweep up most of that £38.5k income tax. The folk on £109k will be incentivised to leave the Uk / not come here and you’ll propagate the couple with the 3 kids so they become the majority….then there will be no money to pay anyone.

Not being one for virtue signalling, if I can’t put money in my SIPP and avoid 40% income tax I will go part time and reduce my income.

I think Lab will reduce the generosity pension tax relief but I don’t think they’ll scarp higher rate relieve altogether - too many liberal leftie elites have generous pensions themselves.
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Andrew1952
Posted: 22 October 2023 17:55:42(UTC)
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Subject ALL income, including every type of benefit (and yes that does
include the state pension) to income tax. Massively reduce the number
of free motability cars handed out. This is one of the biggest scams ever
known.

Scrap employees NI and simply add it onto the tax rates. There cannot
be many people left who haven't realised that NI is a cuddly name for tax.

There would need to be a couple of limited bands at say 10% and 20%
before the new standard tax rate of 32% kicks in and this band could
extend further before the 40% band is reached.

Ordinary workers wont be any worse off because they no longer pay
employees NI.

Rename employers NI back to what it was before Mrs T renamed
selective employment tax as employers NI.

The big benefit is to claw back some of the eye-watering public service
pensions that have arisen thanks to NuLabs massive pay rises for GPs,
Consultants and head teachers back in the early noughties while still allowing
them to contribute a mere 6% (less tax relief) into their schemes. There are
now 6,000 retired NHS staff receiving pensions of 100K+. Plus an even bigger
army of Head teachers, GPs, Judges, MOD top brass, Civil servants etc.

By combining 'ees NI with basic rate tax, all these people will effectively
pay NI on their pensions.
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