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Bitcoin up $30k in a month...
Tim D
Posted: 28 October 2023 14:08:36(UTC)

Joined: 07/06/2017(UTC)
Posts: 8,883

Then vs. now
ben ski
Posted: 28 October 2023 19:03:10(UTC)

Joined: 15/01/2016(UTC)
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Neminem Laedit;284072 wrote:
ben ski;284070 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284069 wrote:
Tim D;284016 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;283975 wrote:
Tim D;283971 wrote:
Understand Bernie Madoff
Understand the Beanie Baby Bubble
Understand Charles Ponzi
Understand Railway Mania
Understand The South Sea Bubble
Understand The Mississippi Scheme
Understand Tulip Mania

...and you'll understand Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto world perfectly.

Epically, Epochally WRONG for 15 years, but still posting the same old.

But.. Hey, It's a free country...

I don't need to convince you of ANYTHING, for me to be rich...


But you absolutely do! Well, not me specifically - you've obviously got no chance here - but your future ability to cash out your crypto wealth entirely depends on you and the rest of your hodler clan convincing subsequent waves of suckers to buy your digital beanie babies from you at higher prices than you paid for them.

And the evidence is that you understand that very well: witness the constant need to come back and evangelize any time it looks like the scam is building a bit of momentum again. Noone does that for their Tesla/Apple/Microsoft etc stocks or their Fundsmith holding etc... so it's a big red flag for a pump-and-dump scheme when someone does start acting like that.


As usual, 180 degrees wrong and delusional.

It's not me who has a constant need to do anything. If I'd mentioned Fundsmith or Tesla, etc., rational people would just note it, maybe do their own research, or move on... Perhaps at least acknowledge the sensational returns to date. [Bitcoin knocks them both into a cocked-hat, of course]

Only Bitcoin seems to attract swivel-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth naysayers who, kamikaze-like, are determined to throw themselves under the wheels of the greatest investment in the history of the world.

15 years and counting, the evidence demonstrates beyond peradventure that you are epically and epochally WRONG in your beliefs.

But that's OK, you have a right to be wrong. The more you demonstrate your wrongness, the more Bitcoin (on this thread, and in the real world) goes up!

Do carry on....


Bitcoin hasn't actually generated any net wealth yet. The price is simply what people choose to transact at – so there's always a buyer and a seller, paying and accepting the same price (minus friction).

It's near-certain far more people have lost money on it than made money.



Most numpties don't know how to invest in anything, period.

Who knew?


Because no one knows whether Bitcoin is the future, or obsolete, in however many years, it's always been a punt.. Where you get in and out, and whether you make money, is random, unless you can actually know something about where it's going (which is how pump & dump schemes make money).

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Neminem Laedit on 28/10/2023(UTC), Dentmaster on 28/10/2023(UTC), Tim D on 29/10/2023(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 28 October 2023 19:33:26(UTC)

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The interesting thing is the current excitement about Crypto isn't that it has finally found a use, or that suddenly you can easily buy real things or anything like that..... it's simply that with ETF's there is a new way (maybe) to buy the same old magic numbers.

It's almost as if coiners weren't already on exchanges or Paypal or whatever and couldn't actually buy, sell or trade already.

So really not sure what the fuss is about. There is literally nothing new here except a new way to tap into drunks who trade on Friday night having got back from the bar.
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Tim D on 29/10/2023(UTC)
Dentmaster
Posted: 28 October 2023 20:59:06(UTC)

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Thats me on a Friday. Appart from bitcoin, ive bought a blow up lilo no use. A wind up torch , how handy. And met my wife. I think Fridays and Saturdays should be banned .
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ANDREW FOSTER on 28/10/2023(UTC), Neminem Laedit on 28/10/2023(UTC), Tony Jewell on 31/10/2023(UTC)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 28 October 2023 22:10:33(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

ben ski;284195 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284072 wrote:
ben ski;284070 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284069 wrote:
Tim D;284016 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;283975 wrote:
Tim D;283971 wrote:
Understand Bernie Madoff
Understand the Beanie Baby Bubble
Understand Charles Ponzi
Understand Railway Mania
Understand The South Sea Bubble
Understand The Mississippi Scheme
Understand Tulip Mania

...and you'll understand Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto world perfectly.

Epically, Epochally WRONG for 15 years, but still posting the same old.

But.. Hey, It's a free country...

I don't need to convince you of ANYTHING, for me to be rich...


But you absolutely do! Well, not me specifically - you've obviously got no chance here - but your future ability to cash out your crypto wealth entirely depends on you and the rest of your hodler clan convincing subsequent waves of suckers to buy your digital beanie babies from you at higher prices than you paid for them.

And the evidence is that you understand that very well: witness the constant need to come back and evangelize any time it looks like the scam is building a bit of momentum again. Noone does that for their Tesla/Apple/Microsoft etc stocks or their Fundsmith holding etc... so it's a big red flag for a pump-and-dump scheme when someone does start acting like that.


As usual, 180 degrees wrong and delusional.

It's not me who has a constant need to do anything. If I'd mentioned Fundsmith or Tesla, etc., rational people would just note it, maybe do their own research, or move on... Perhaps at least acknowledge the sensational returns to date. [Bitcoin knocks them both into a cocked-hat, of course]

Only Bitcoin seems to attract swivel-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth naysayers who, kamikaze-like, are determined to throw themselves under the wheels of the greatest investment in the history of the world.

15 years and counting, the evidence demonstrates beyond peradventure that you are epically and epochally WRONG in your beliefs.

But that's OK, you have a right to be wrong. The more you demonstrate your wrongness, the more Bitcoin (on this thread, and in the real world) goes up!

Do carry on....


Bitcoin hasn't actually generated any net wealth yet. The price is simply what people choose to transact at – so there's always a buyer and a seller, paying and accepting the same price (minus friction).

It's near-certain far more people have lost money on it than made money.



Most numpties don't know how to invest in anything, period.

Who knew?


Because no one knows whether Bitcoin is the future, or obsolete, in however many years, it's always been a punt.. Where you get in and out, and whether you make money, is random, unless you can actually know something about where it's going (which is how pump & dump schemes make money).



Bitcoin's increasing programmatic scarcity can give plenty of clues when to trade - or hodl, according to your preference.

https://www.linkedin.com...y-story-numbers-ndax-io
https://www.forbes.com/s...t-heres-the-difference/

Some forecasts, based on maths and history..
https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...rmat=jpg&name=large

You could have got in @$15.5k less than 12 months ago.

DYOR.
ben ski
Posted: 28 October 2023 23:33:22(UTC)

Joined: 15/01/2016(UTC)
Posts: 1,352

Thanks: 426 times
Was thanked: 3896 time(s) in 1012 post(s)
Neminem Laedit;284205 wrote:
ben ski;284195 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284072 wrote:
ben ski;284070 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284069 wrote:
Tim D;284016 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;283975 wrote:
Tim D;283971 wrote:
Understand Bernie Madoff
Understand the Beanie Baby Bubble
Understand Charles Ponzi
Understand Railway Mania
Understand The South Sea Bubble
Understand The Mississippi Scheme
Understand Tulip Mania

...and you'll understand Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto world perfectly.

Epically, Epochally WRONG for 15 years, but still posting the same old.

But.. Hey, It's a free country...

I don't need to convince you of ANYTHING, for me to be rich...


But you absolutely do! Well, not me specifically - you've obviously got no chance here - but your future ability to cash out your crypto wealth entirely depends on you and the rest of your hodler clan convincing subsequent waves of suckers to buy your digital beanie babies from you at higher prices than you paid for them.

And the evidence is that you understand that very well: witness the constant need to come back and evangelize any time it looks like the scam is building a bit of momentum again. Noone does that for their Tesla/Apple/Microsoft etc stocks or their Fundsmith holding etc... so it's a big red flag for a pump-and-dump scheme when someone does start acting like that.


As usual, 180 degrees wrong and delusional.

It's not me who has a constant need to do anything. If I'd mentioned Fundsmith or Tesla, etc., rational people would just note it, maybe do their own research, or move on... Perhaps at least acknowledge the sensational returns to date. [Bitcoin knocks them both into a cocked-hat, of course]

Only Bitcoin seems to attract swivel-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth naysayers who, kamikaze-like, are determined to throw themselves under the wheels of the greatest investment in the history of the world.

15 years and counting, the evidence demonstrates beyond peradventure that you are epically and epochally WRONG in your beliefs.

But that's OK, you have a right to be wrong. The more you demonstrate your wrongness, the more Bitcoin (on this thread, and in the real world) goes up!

Do carry on....


Bitcoin hasn't actually generated any net wealth yet. The price is simply what people choose to transact at – so there's always a buyer and a seller, paying and accepting the same price (minus friction).

It's near-certain far more people have lost money on it than made money.



Most numpties don't know how to invest in anything, period.

Who knew?


Because no one knows whether Bitcoin is the future, or obsolete, in however many years, it's always been a punt.. Where you get in and out, and whether you make money, is random, unless you can actually know something about where it's going (which is how pump & dump schemes make money).



Bitcoin's increasing programmatic scarcity can give plenty of clues when to trade - or hodl, according to your preference.

https://www.linkedin.com...y-story-numbers-ndax-io
https://www.forbes.com/s...t-heres-the-difference/

Some forecasts, based on maths and history..
https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...rmat=jpg&name=large

You could have got in @$15.5k less than 12 months ago.

DYOR.


Every clueless kid who came up in the post-covid liquidity bubble can find chartist stuff and technical signals.. But if any of them worked, you'd just write a Python script to follow them, and any hedge fund would have no problem generating double digit returns.

Remember the Stock-to-Flow model? That was what everyone was using in 2019-2020. Bitcoin should be at $100k now. People just move on when it doesn't pan out that way – bet on the new nonsense.
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Tim D on 29/10/2023(UTC)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 29 October 2023 00:27:10(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

ben ski;284206 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284205 wrote:
ben ski;284195 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284072 wrote:
ben ski;284070 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284069 wrote:
Tim D;284016 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;283975 wrote:
Tim D;283971 wrote:
Understand Bernie Madoff
Understand the Beanie Baby Bubble
Understand Charles Ponzi
Understand Railway Mania
Understand The South Sea Bubble
Understand The Mississippi Scheme
Understand Tulip Mania

...and you'll understand Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto world perfectly.

Epically, Epochally WRONG for 15 years, but still posting the same old.

But.. Hey, It's a free country...

I don't need to convince you of ANYTHING, for me to be rich...


But you absolutely do! Well, not me specifically - you've obviously got no chance here - but your future ability to cash out your crypto wealth entirely depends on you and the rest of your hodler clan convincing subsequent waves of suckers to buy your digital beanie babies from you at higher prices than you paid for them.

And the evidence is that you understand that very well: witness the constant need to come back and evangelize any time it looks like the scam is building a bit of momentum again. Noone does that for their Tesla/Apple/Microsoft etc stocks or their Fundsmith holding etc... so it's a big red flag for a pump-and-dump scheme when someone does start acting like that.


As usual, 180 degrees wrong and delusional.

It's not me who has a constant need to do anything. If I'd mentioned Fundsmith or Tesla, etc., rational people would just note it, maybe do their own research, or move on... Perhaps at least acknowledge the sensational returns to date. [Bitcoin knocks them both into a cocked-hat, of course]

Only Bitcoin seems to attract swivel-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth naysayers who, kamikaze-like, are determined to throw themselves under the wheels of the greatest investment in the history of the world.

15 years and counting, the evidence demonstrates beyond peradventure that you are epically and epochally WRONG in your beliefs.

But that's OK, you have a right to be wrong. The more you demonstrate your wrongness, the more Bitcoin (on this thread, and in the real world) goes up!

Do carry on....


Bitcoin hasn't actually generated any net wealth yet. The price is simply what people choose to transact at – so there's always a buyer and a seller, paying and accepting the same price (minus friction).

It's near-certain far more people have lost money on it than made money.



Most numpties don't know how to invest in anything, period.

Who knew?


Because no one knows whether Bitcoin is the future, or obsolete, in however many years, it's always been a punt.. Where you get in and out, and whether you make money, is random, unless you can actually know something about where it's going (which is how pump & dump schemes make money).



Bitcoin's increasing programmatic scarcity can give plenty of clues when to trade - or hodl, according to your preference.

https://www.linkedin.com...y-story-numbers-ndax-io
https://www.forbes.com/s...t-heres-the-difference/

Some forecasts, based on maths and history..
https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...rmat=jpg&name=large

You could have got in @$15.5k less than 12 months ago.

DYOR.


Every clueless kid who came up in the post-covid liquidity bubble can find chartist stuff and technical signals.. But if any of them worked, you'd just write a Python script to follow them, and any hedge fund would have no problem generating double digit returns.

Remember the Stock-to-Flow model? That was what everyone was using in 2019-2020. Bitcoin should be at $100k now. People just move on when it doesn't pan out that way – bet on the new nonsense.


When BTC was about $4,000 in March 2019, the S2F model was published.
https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25

It predicted $55k after the 2020 halving. BTC actually went to $69k...

So, not too shabby for "a clueless kid". [actually, he's a highly-respected quant analyst]

And another "clueless kid" [me] has already made a healthy six-figure (tax-free) profit from BTC, and I'm quite confident of that reaching seven figures...
ben ski
Posted: 29 October 2023 11:17:38(UTC)

Joined: 15/01/2016(UTC)
Posts: 1,352

Thanks: 426 times
Was thanked: 3896 time(s) in 1012 post(s)
Neminem Laedit;284209 wrote:
ben ski;284206 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284205 wrote:
ben ski;284195 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284072 wrote:
ben ski;284070 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;284069 wrote:
Tim D;284016 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;283975 wrote:
Tim D;283971 wrote:
Understand Bernie Madoff
Understand the Beanie Baby Bubble
Understand Charles Ponzi
Understand Railway Mania
Understand The South Sea Bubble
Understand The Mississippi Scheme
Understand Tulip Mania

...and you'll understand Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto world perfectly.

Epically, Epochally WRONG for 15 years, but still posting the same old.

But.. Hey, It's a free country...

I don't need to convince you of ANYTHING, for me to be rich...


But you absolutely do! Well, not me specifically - you've obviously got no chance here - but your future ability to cash out your crypto wealth entirely depends on you and the rest of your hodler clan convincing subsequent waves of suckers to buy your digital beanie babies from you at higher prices than you paid for them.

And the evidence is that you understand that very well: witness the constant need to come back and evangelize any time it looks like the scam is building a bit of momentum again. Noone does that for their Tesla/Apple/Microsoft etc stocks or their Fundsmith holding etc... so it's a big red flag for a pump-and-dump scheme when someone does start acting like that.


As usual, 180 degrees wrong and delusional.

It's not me who has a constant need to do anything. If I'd mentioned Fundsmith or Tesla, etc., rational people would just note it, maybe do their own research, or move on... Perhaps at least acknowledge the sensational returns to date. [Bitcoin knocks them both into a cocked-hat, of course]

Only Bitcoin seems to attract swivel-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth naysayers who, kamikaze-like, are determined to throw themselves under the wheels of the greatest investment in the history of the world.

15 years and counting, the evidence demonstrates beyond peradventure that you are epically and epochally WRONG in your beliefs.

But that's OK, you have a right to be wrong. The more you demonstrate your wrongness, the more Bitcoin (on this thread, and in the real world) goes up!

Do carry on....


Bitcoin hasn't actually generated any net wealth yet. The price is simply what people choose to transact at – so there's always a buyer and a seller, paying and accepting the same price (minus friction).

It's near-certain far more people have lost money on it than made money.



Most numpties don't know how to invest in anything, period.

Who knew?


Because no one knows whether Bitcoin is the future, or obsolete, in however many years, it's always been a punt.. Where you get in and out, and whether you make money, is random, unless you can actually know something about where it's going (which is how pump & dump schemes make money).



Bitcoin's increasing programmatic scarcity can give plenty of clues when to trade - or hodl, according to your preference.

https://www.linkedin.com...y-story-numbers-ndax-io
https://www.forbes.com/s...t-heres-the-difference/

Some forecasts, based on maths and history..
https://charts.bitbo.io/long-term-power-law/
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/me...rmat=jpg&name=large

You could have got in @$15.5k less than 12 months ago.

DYOR.


Every clueless kid who came up in the post-covid liquidity bubble can find chartist stuff and technical signals.. But if any of them worked, you'd just write a Python script to follow them, and any hedge fund would have no problem generating double digit returns.

Remember the Stock-to-Flow model? That was what everyone was using in 2019-2020. Bitcoin should be at $100k now. People just move on when it doesn't pan out that way – bet on the new nonsense.


When BTC was about $4,000 in March 2019, the S2F model was published.
https://medium.com/@100trillionUSD/modeling-bitcoins-value-with-scarcity-91fa0fc03e25

It predicted $55k after the 2020 halving. BTC actually went to $69k...

So, not too shabby for "a clueless kid". [actually, he's a highly-respected quant analyst]

And another "clueless kid" [me] has already made a healthy six-figure (tax-free) profit from BTC, and I'm quite confident of that reaching seven figures...


That's the same as always.. The reason S2F stuck was because it seemed to predict what happened the next year.. All the theories published that year that didn't get it right were forgotten.

S2F might prove to be right, but if you just take the period since it's been published, you'd probably say it's been wrong about 75% of the time now – which might be a bit worse than drawing a random line.
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 31 October 2023 00:55:55(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

HAPPY 15th BIRTHDAY BITCOIN !!!!!




https://beincrypto.com/l...t-is-bitcoin-whitepaper/



BITCOIN
Tim D
Posted: 31 October 2023 12:17:26(UTC)

Joined: 07/06/2017(UTC)
Posts: 8,883

If the dollar is so useless, funny how the coiners seem to be so obsessed with the dollar value of their bags.

The iPhone had its 15-years-since-launch anniversary last year. That has a legitimate claim to have changed the world in the interim period. Crypto not so much... "we're still early!" just sounds silly these days.

Interesting recent read in the FT on the current "spot ETF" hype cycle:
https://www.ft.com/conte...-4ed8-be58-8a1d5c62eff9
or https://archive.ph/DCcYu

The SBF FTX trial is certainly giving us all some valuable insight into just how utterly demented the whole space is
https://www.ft.com/conte...-44ff-ba6c-be2068d0d80e
or https://archive.ph/zsVL7
(or all-you-can-eat detail at https://newsletter.mollywhite.net/ )
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ANDREW FOSTER on 31/10/2023(UTC)
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