Funds Insider - Opening the door to funds

Welcome to the Citywire Funds Insider Forums, where members share investment ideas and discuss everything to do with their money.

You'll need to log in or set up an account to start new discussions or reply to existing ones. See you inside!

Notification

Icon
Error

Nat West and other UK banks
Phil 2
Posted: 26 October 2023 11:46:12(UTC)
#81

Joined: 20/07/2018(UTC)
Posts: 2,108

Thanks: 9823 times
Was thanked: 4742 time(s) in 1534 post(s)
Standard Chartered on Thursday said pre-tax profit dropped 33% in the third quarter of the year, far beyond analyst estimates, after taking a nearly $1 billion hit from exposure to China’s banking and troubled real estate sectors.

The U.K.-headquartered bank, which earns most of its revenue in Asia, booked July-September statutory pretax profit of $633 million. That compared with $996 million a year earlier and the $1.41 billion average of 16 analyst estimates compiled by the bank.

Its Hong Kong-listed shares 2888.HK plunged 5.5% to HK$63.70, their biggest one-day percentage drop since March 27.

Credit impairment charges rose $62 million from a year prior to $294 million after taking a $186 million charge related to Chinese commercial real estate.

StanChart also took a $700 million hit from its stake in China Bohai Bank, which it said reflected subdued earnings at the lender and challenging economic backdrop.

The hefty loss in China, where StanChart has based much of its expansion effort, underlines the challenge the lender faces to improve returns via exposure to the world’s second-largest economy at a time of slowing growth and widening loss on loans.

Its Chinese real estate exposure totaled $2.7 billion, down $200 million from the previous quarter.
1 user thanked Phil 2 for this post.
what me worry? on 27/10/2023(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 27 October 2023 06:50:17(UTC)
#82

Joined: 20/07/2018(UTC)
Posts: 2,108

Thanks: 9823 times
Was thanked: 4742 time(s) in 1534 post(s)
Solid enough results in from NWG earlier. Market reaction will no doubt be panic !

Strong Q3 2023 performance

- Q3 2023 attributable profit of £866 million and a return on tangible equity (RoTE) of 14.7%. Attributable profit of £3,165 million for the year to date and a RoTE of 17.1%.

- Total income excluding notable items(1), increased by £117 million, or 3.4%, compared with Q3 2022 principally reflecting the impact of volume growth and favourable yield curve movements. For the nine months ended 30 September 2023, total income excluding notable items, was £10,897 million, £1,602 million higher than prior year.

- Bank net interest margin (NIM) of 2.94% was 19 basis points lower than Q2 2023 with the reduction largely due to changes in deposit mix as customers shifted balances from non-interest bearing current accounts to interest bearing savings accounts, particularly term, as well as the continued impact on mortgage margins as the higher margin Covid-era book rolls off and is replaced at lower margins. Bank NIM was 3.11% for the year to date.

- Other operating expenses increased by £22 million, or 1.2%, compared with Q3 2022. For the nine months ended 30 September 2023, other operating expenses of £5.6 billion were £345 million, or 6.6%, higher than prior year. The cost:income ratio (excl. litigation and conduct) was 49.9% for the nine months ended 30 September 2023 compared with 55.6% for the same period in 2022.

- The net impairment charge was £229 million in Q3 2023, or 24 basis points of gross customer loans, which reflects continued low and stable levels of stage 3 defaults across the portfolio and good book charges related to unsecured lending.

Robust balance sheet underpinning growth

- Net loans to customers excluding central items increased by £1.8 billion to £354.5 billion during Q3 2023 including a £1.3 billion uplift in Commercial & Institutional as term loan facilities increased. Retail Banking gross new mortgage lending was £7.5 billion in the quarter compared with £7.6 billion in Q2 2023.

- Up to 30 September 2023 we have provided £53.2 billion against our target to provide £100 billion climate and sustainable funding and financing between 1 July 2021 and the end of 2025.

- Customer deposits excluding central items of £423.5 billion were £2.4 billion higher than Q2 2023. Term balances now account for 15% of our book, up from 11% at the end of the second quarter.

- The loan:deposit ratio (LDR) (excl. repos and reverse repos) was 83%, in line with Q2 2023, with customer deposits exceeding net loans to customers by around £71 billion.

- The liquidity coverage ratio (LCR) increased by 4 percentage points to 145% in the quarter, representing £49.6 billion headroom above 100% minimum requirement, primarily due to UBIDAC asset sales along with increased deposits offset by increased customer lending.

- TNAV per share increased by 9 pence in Q3 2023 to 271 pence primarily reflecting the attributable profit for the period and movements in cash flow hedging reserves, offset by the impact of dividend payments.

Shareholder return supported by strong capital generation

- Common Equity Tier 1 (CET1) ratio of 13.5% was in line with the position at 30 June 2023 principally reflecting the attributable profit offset by the ordinary dividend accrual and increase in RWAs.

- RWAs increased by £4.1 billion during the quarter to £181.6 billion principally reflecting increased market risk and lending growth in Commercial & Institutional partially offset by a £1.9 billion reduction as we continue our exit from the Republic of Ireland.
Phil 2
Posted: 27 October 2023 07:40:20(UTC)
#83

Joined: 20/07/2018(UTC)
Posts: 2,108

Thanks: 9823 times
Was thanked: 4742 time(s) in 1534 post(s)
Cue panic !!!

NatWest shares drop 16%

Ouch! Shares in NatWest have tumbled by 16% at the start of trading in London.
Traders are concerned that the bank has downgraded its profit outlook in its results this morning (see here) despite also growing profits in the last quarter.

This puts NatWest at the bottom of the FTSE 100 leaderboard, and on track for their biggest one-day drop since June 24, 2016, when the UK voted to leave the European Union in the Brexit referendum.
Other bank shares are also weakening, with Lloyds down 3.5% and Barclays losing 2%.
2 users thanked Phil 2 for this post.
ANDREW FOSTER on 27/10/2023(UTC), what me worry? on 27/10/2023(UTC)
Phil 2
Posted: 30 October 2023 12:00:23(UTC)
#84

Joined: 20/07/2018(UTC)
Posts: 2,108

Thanks: 9823 times
Was thanked: 4742 time(s) in 1534 post(s)
Citigroup cuts NatWest price target to 255 (385) pence - 'buy'

SocGen cuts NatWest to 'hold' (buy) - price target 190 (350) pence

Berenberg cuts NatWest price target to 300 (360) pence - 'buy'

Jefferies cuts NatWest to 'underperform' (buy) - price target 150 (370) pence

RBC cuts NatWest price target to 290 (330) pence - 'sector perform'


So that’s perfectly clear then (!)
1 user thanked Phil 2 for this post.
Ian Eccles on 30/10/2023(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 30 October 2023 12:17:15(UTC)
#86

Joined: 04/07/2021(UTC)
Posts: 1,077

Thanks: 307 times
Was thanked: 1815 time(s) in 750 post(s)
Just sold my holding in Ascential earlier this morning on the news it sold the digital commerce segment of the business, was looking at NatWest to top up because it was down but now it's started to move back up.
If it falls again it will be a candidate to invest my windfall.
1 user thanked Ian Eccles for this post.
Phil 2 on 30/10/2023(UTC)
Wayne Hurdman
Posted: 30 October 2023 12:25:30(UTC)
#85

Joined: 31/01/2020(UTC)
Posts: 438

Thanks: 59 times
Was thanked: 650 time(s) in 277 post(s)
Phil 2;284350 wrote:
Citigroup cuts NatWest price target to 255 (385) pence - 'buy'

SocGen cuts NatWest to 'hold' (buy) - price target 190 (350) pence

Berenberg cuts NatWest price target to 300 (360) pence - 'buy'

Jefferies cuts NatWest to 'underperform' (buy) - price target 150 (370) pence

RBC cuts NatWest price target to 290 (330) pence - 'sector perform'


So that’s perfectly clear then (!)


Here`s another from MarketBeat
"Price Target Upside/Downside
According to analysts' consensus price target of GBX 325.71, NatWest Group has a forecasted upside of 78.3% from its current price of GBX 182.70."

Considering opening a small position £1500. hmmm
1 user thanked Wayne Hurdman for this post.
Phil 2 on 30/10/2023(UTC)
Ian Eccles
Posted: 30 October 2023 21:49:48(UTC)
#87

Joined: 04/07/2021(UTC)
Posts: 1,077

Thanks: 307 times
Was thanked: 1815 time(s) in 750 post(s)
Topped up NatWest just before close of play @ 178.3p waited most of the day for the price to drop.
Ian Eccles
Posted: 07 December 2023 09:00:01(UTC)
#88

Joined: 04/07/2021(UTC)
Posts: 1,077

Thanks: 307 times
Was thanked: 1815 time(s) in 750 post(s)
Just looked on Motley Fool site, some wag thinks there is a possibility Lloyds could reach 150p/share in 2024. Well anything is possible but don't hold your breath. Most people will be happy if it reaches 50p.
3 users thanked Ian Eccles for this post.
Adam Johnson on 07/12/2023(UTC), Phil 2 on 07/12/2023(UTC), Wave Action on 07/12/2023(UTC)
Wave Action
Posted: 07 December 2023 12:35:27(UTC)
#93

Joined: 30/11/2023(UTC)
Posts: 388

Not much happening in the sector . US market banking sector $BKX. You could argue it's forming a base in recent months of 2023.

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=15

Same chart for 2023.

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=15

Now load some UK bank stocks. Most appear to be following the trend of $BKX in general.

BARC on the same chart.

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=15

LLOY a bit better.

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=15

NWG

https://bigcharts.market...ggle=false&state=15

STAN a bit better.

https://bigcharts.market...oggle=false&state=15
Mostly Rational
Posted: 07 December 2023 15:12:32(UTC)
#89

Joined: 09/11/2021(UTC)
Posts: 311

Ian Eccles;288773 wrote:
Just looked on Motley Fool site, some wag thinks there is a possibility Lloyds could reach 150p/share in 2024. Well anything is possible but don't hold your breath. Most people will be happy if it reaches 50p.


What? That has to be a typo or chatgpt generated article, that price target has all the credibility of bitcoin price targets.
16 Pages«Previous page7891011Next page»
+ Reply to discussion

Markets

Other markets