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Preparing for a Lab Govt
Jonathan Friend
Posted: 18 February 2024 09:06:21(UTC)
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MarkSp;296641 wrote:
I know have eU passports for my kids
Wangling mine is going to be more difficult but, that is my master plan in the event of disaster


Which is going to achieve what exactly? In most of those countries you'll be just another foreigner who they don't want, although you'll be more exploitable since you will be one of the minority who has money to steal. Everything that is going wrong here is at least as bad there, which is why they're voting for right wing governments who they hope will clear up the catastrophic mess that has been created. Except the elites, and especially those unelected lot in charge of the EU, are doubling down. They're not going to stop until they're forcefully removed from the levers of power, so ask yourself if things are likely to get better or worse based on the observable trajectories.

Those DEI commissars who were humiliating you at the school - do you not think that is going on in the European countries? Their migrant crisis is even worse because of geography, and in the likes of France they leave massive numbers of them festering in the streets in cardboard cities. They hate them, but they hate us as well. Little Englanders you say? Try selling English cheeses in a French market - as we would take as normal in the reverse - and you will have the shit kicked out of you. And France is one of the more civilized parts. Net Zero, over regulation, high taxes - all strangling the European economies and way of life as they are ours.

In Denmark, the average Danish family is having 1.3 children - the average Muslim migrant family, feasting on their generous benefits system, is averaging 5 children. Boring old Sweden has no go areas and is one of the grenades capitals of the world. French cities are full of estates the police won't go into. Germany is faltering under all the pressures. The Dutch and Italians are furious. The Eastern Europeans... those countries have a lot of promise but... they're very close to Russia, they don't tend to speak English much, and they will want to know why you're there if you go for more than just a holiday. Also corrupt by our standards as are Spain and Portugal. Those two could be ok otherwise, if you don't mind waiting 9 months to get a drivers licence, which takes 2 days here, and their economies suck and things could turn nasty when the going gets tough. Speaking of which, are you fluent in any European languages?

Dark times are coming for us and for Europe. Just be careful you don't jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. Most of Europe has next to no history of being free - most of them have been dictatorships in the recent past, and then rushed into the EU - and the average attitude is a lot less liberal and welcoming than here.

You're better off staying here and fighting for what you believe it should be - not allowing yourself to be dominated by garbage, and being a victim. It's time for people to stop being scared: standing up for themselves and what they are. Because there's literally nowhere else in the world you or your children will ever be able to call home in the true sense, and once it is gone, that's it. This is what it boils down to.

None of the options are going to be ideal. Maybe some English nationalism won't be a bad thing? Nobody complains when the French do it and why are we expected to be dopey lemmings? The fact of the matter is, we are now hosting various communities who are more ethnocentric than we are, not less. And a lot of them hate us. They are encouraged to hate us and we are encouraged to hate ourselves. These are some of the hard facts we need to start facing up to. There are noble and English ways to go about it all, perhaps, and hopefully the outcomes will be less extreme than they're bound to be in Europe. It is what it is, the Boomer truth regime is coming to an end, and the mess they've left us will need to be addressed.

I would prepare to bed in here, plan for a harder future, understand the basic facts of the situation, work with others of like mind to create better and more resilient structures and ways of doing things. Equip your children for handling harder times than you've ever had to deal with. A smeg fridge breaking is of very little significance in this bigger, very real picture.

Whoever wins the next election - that's window dressing. Mannequins and costumes, shallow messages. Basically a waste of everybody's time if the usual suspects win. We have to see through all the smoke and mirrors. The idiots and grifters running this country, and not just the politicians but the permanent state, do not care about us. They don't know what they're doing. Most of what they do, they do badly. Less is more where these guys are concerned. Vote accordingly, but remember, there's a lot more to being a citizen than just voting and outsourcing to others.
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MarkSp
Posted: 18 February 2024 17:20:14(UTC)
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"Which is going to achieve what exactly? "

It means it easy to travel, study and work in the EU.

My job is to give them the best opportunities for their futures.

I must admit to not reading the rest of your post, I have read others and your certainty in all things must be very reassuring for you.
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Tim D on 18/02/2024(UTC)
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Posted: 18 February 2024 17:51:18(UTC)
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hmmm. so much for the opening plea to stick to economics and avoid politics :-)

I was hoping for some advice on how to prepare for a Labour Government in terms of where to perhaps put my assets (and maybe myself) to avoid the onslaught of further taxation - it's already bad under the current govt and not likely to improve under the next (whichever colour that ends up being).

I agree with other posts here that the common sense move would be to simplify and harmonise tax rates and increase thresholds. This would remove the lower earners and least prepared from the incredibly complex tax system that we have.

Unfortunately every government has added to the tax burden and to the complexity of the tax system, presumably as this is a good way of pulling tax revenue levers whilst maintaining the voters focus on headline taxes such as income tax (hence why National Insurance won't imo just become part of Income Tax any time soon).

In terms of investments, yes, diversifying away from UK equities to more worldly ones might make sense? (it does anyway, but perhaps the overseas weighting should be even more?)

Maximising pension and ISA contributions this tax year and next might help shelter as much as possible - perhaps even to the extent of borrowing money short term if cash funds are short?

Personally, I'm considering investing in Gilts again, hoping that they remain CGT free on capital at least. Going for a low interest coupon and selling chunks of the capital when monies are required, seems that it might work, but I would welcome comments please.

Otherwise, other than me leaving the country and residing overseas for tax purposes, there doesn't appear a lot that we can do to dodge the oncoming tax burden bullet ?

Ok, ok, I will end on a political and economic point.
No-one seems to have flagged that we could theoretically go back in to Europe, in all but name at least. If Labour secure a huge majority and a fixed 5 year term, were the pound to slump, Trump in the White House, Putin in the east of Europe, and we go back to Europe with our tail between our legs (I hope not). Only being able to re-join the EU by accepting the Euro will make it much, much harder to leave again.
Assuming ok course that Germany and others don't vote to leave before we have to sign up to get back on the sinking ship? :-)
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Wave Action
Posted: 18 February 2024 18:00:54(UTC)
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Jonathan Friend;296666 wrote:
Ask yourself this: how will the younger people start voting when they cotton on to how and why they've been so badly ripped off? Or, will they want to abandon democracy all together realising it is a sham hiding elites that make life worse for the majority of people?

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/th...ne-chart-tells-you-a-lot


No doubt there's not enough property as far back as 2002 Labour had a policy to build 2 million extra homes. What happened to that ?
In the link above there's a chart which shows the dramatic falls in home ownership amongst the younger age groups. I don't think it's a clear cut as it's made out. There's a few factors at play. Further education has been a major part with more and more staying at school.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8353257.stm

Students at university has also risen in the last few decades . How can you buy homes in your 20's when you ain't working ? Skilled trades aren't attractive as they used to be so where's all the bricklayers and joiners anyway ?

https://www.economicshel...ts-at-university-in-uk/

Throw in the increase in BTL and it's even more squeezed for home ownership.

https://www.thisismoney....et-good-investment.html


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Tim D on 18/02/2024(UTC)
Jonathan Friend
Posted: 19 February 2024 10:44:34(UTC)
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Wave Action;296722 wrote:
Jonathan Friend;296666 wrote:
Ask yourself this: how will the younger people start voting when they cotton on to how and why they've been so badly ripped off? Or, will they want to abandon democracy all together realising it is a sham hiding elites that make life worse for the majority of people?

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/th...ne-chart-tells-you-a-lot


No doubt there's not enough property as far back as 2002 Labour had a policy to build 2 million extra homes. What happened to that ?
In the link above there's a chart which shows the dramatic falls in home ownership amongst the younger age groups. I don't think it's a clear cut as it's made out. There's a few factors at play. Further education has been a major part with more and more staying at school.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8353257.stm

Students at university has also risen in the last few decades . How can you buy homes in your 20's when you ain't working ? Skilled trades aren't attractive as they used to be so where's all the bricklayers and joiners anyway ?

https://www.economicshel...ts-at-university-in-uk/

Throw in the increase in BTL and it's even more squeezed for home ownership.

https://www.thisismoney....et-good-investment.html



New Labour adopted a nimby, fake-environmentalist charter at the same time as opening the flood gates on immigration - the supply of new housing fell and the demand rocketed. The price of housing started getting our of control from about 2002 having previously been easily affordable to most working people. This was then compounded by the response to the GFC which saw easy credit on an unprecedented scale for more than a decade.

Sorry, but when net immigration is running at over 700,000 per annum and only 200,000 new homes are being built, in addition to other factors like shrinking household size, there's only one outcome. Talking about people going to uni - these are tiny factors compared to the bigger trends. The young are being shafted by mass immigration, as are the lower paid in society. We can argue over the contributions made by the different variables. The bigger picture though is that the older, well off people amassed their assets through a period of lower costs, lower regulation, and lower immigration - and yet some of those people support these damaging trends knowing full well that it is shafting the younger people who now have a thousand more hurdles in their way.

Some people don't mind because they either can't face facts or are profiting from it. Like certain people who have a second home, which they can make a big profit on selling to young people. Young people who came along after all these bad policies were implemented...
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Jonathan Friend
Posted: 19 February 2024 10:49:02(UTC)
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Does it matter who is supposedly in charge here when we are still importing damaging, woke nonsense from the EU? These regulatory burdens continue to set the tone.

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Andrew1952
Posted: 25 February 2024 19:26:28(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;296257 wrote:
Robert D;296217 wrote:
Blimey, there are some strange folk on here.

They want national unity but are voting Reform, a divisive party.




Exactly which Reform policies are you having trouble with...?


Does Reform actually have any policies, other than to elect a Labour
government with an even bigger majority ?.
Keith Cobby
Posted: 25 February 2024 19:48:24(UTC)
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When something is so rotten, it needs removing and the ground cleared ready to start again. The Tories will (hopefully) just be a rump after the GE and Reform should have polled enough votes (even if they don't win any seats) to give them momentum to move forward. A Labour government is a small price to pay to rid ourselves of the truly useless Tories and replace them with a proper conservative government in due course.
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 25 February 2024 21:01:23(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;297403 wrote:
When something is so rotten, it needs removing and the ground cleared ready to start again. The Tories will (hopefully) just be a rump after the GE and Reform should have polled enough votes (even if they don't win any seats) to give them momentum to move forward. A Labour government is a small price to pay to rid ourselves of the truly useless Tories and replace them with a proper conservative government in due course.


Maybe Reform ARE in fact that 'proper conservative government'.

Maybe they will be a true unified pro Brexit, pro business, pro border control government and get rid of the dross in the process.

Policies are here...

https://assets.nationbui...-_5Oct23.pdf?1696527070


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Tim D
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We were told that Liz Truss was a proper "Thatcher 2.0" Conservative, and that Kwarteng had delivered "at last, a proper Conservative budget!".

Given the public's memory of how those worked out, attempting to pitch something as being a "proper Conservative <whatever>" seems likely to be counterproductive.
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