Anonymous 1 needed this 'Off the Record'

Dear all
Small addendum
Another concern
Citywire Chart of the Day, 14/09/2011. Public Sector workforce hammered .
"Amid such a tough economic enviromnment, the private sector is not picking up the slack."
Worth reading, as well as the comments that follow.

Prof Eman

Jeremy

Is extraordinary rendition run by civil servants or has it been sub-contracted out to the private sector?

Is extraordinary rendition a growth industry or has it a limited life span?

What are the overheads?

Is it hard to find highly qualified employees to carry out the rendering? (sounds a bit like a slaughterhouse with meat being rendered).

What would be the profit margin?

What are the tax implications for extraordinary renditioners?

If the industry is closed down what effect will it have on global unemployment figures?

Is this an industry more or less socially accepetable than the tobacco industry?

If a UK citizen gets extraordinarily rendered can the cost be offset against any benefits the individual might be entitled to?

It seems to me that the business of extraordinary rendition has not been properly researched.

I suggest that a question should be put to Parliament on the costings and under what 'vote' (in the Forces all expenditure comes under various 'votes' which reflect that the expenditure has been approved in Parliament) extraordinary rendition comes under.

I hope that the accounts have been properly kept; if not why not?

ALAN ARRIS

I quite like your style of writing and content too!

'As for this 'lack of education' lark...... bull**** ! The whole idea of sending the masses to uni wasnt designed to educate them (we only need just so many Chairmen of ICI and too many scientists spoil the experiment): it was to massage down the Tabloids rantings about the unacceptable number of young unemployed.Thinks: If they were in fulltime education they wont count.... Nor would they draw dole ...it was a win win. Now we are so skint we are charging them for the 'privalege' of making enough money to pay our pensions ! Tell me, how many of you guys paid for your original degrees? And while you doubtless think its only right that they should repay the loan from their 'massive' future wages (ha ha), how many of you have volunteered to pay back the cost of your own education. Well its only fair isnt it ?'

I wish my own beloved son had a useful trade - the lad went to University for 3 years and one term and has 'nowt' to show for it except a nice student loan compounding with inflation and probably thinks:

'I'd better not earn a decent wage just in case I have to pay it back!'

You go on to write:

'There are some dead simple, affordable answers: Halve the number of uni students so that we have some young people left to become decent plumbers and bricklayers (or are we going to import those too.....oh I forgot, the Poles have arrived). Meanwhile, the teachers can more precisely focus on the elite students who will have the space and resources to excell and pull this country up by the boot straps'

I DISAGREE! Halve the number? No! I'd only let the top 2% academically go to University but fully funded by us all (i.e. by the taxpayer) and from whatever background (i.e. rich or poor) - why should an adult with rich parents have to rely on them with God only know what conditions attached?

Industry could also sponsor their best employees to go to University (they'll onkly do this if in their own interests but might deserve a tax break on the expenditure). Others would only go to University if they paid the full whack and they'd only pay the full whack if they thought they'd gain from the experience; if they needed money they'd either have to prove to a potential lender that they were a good risk or bloody go to work first and save up the money.

We would give HUGE grants to the very best FOREIGN students to come to our very best Universities and then bribe the very best of the best of them to stay here (we put the Yanks down but in this respect they are well worth copying as they use the best brains in the world to compensate for their own average lack of intellect).

An ELITE University educated will surely, on average, earn huge sums of money and repay the taxpayers investment many times over by paying lots of lovely money in tax.

The rest? I AGREE with you entirely - we need a proud and able and skilled workforce who do not want to be stuck behind a desk pushing bits of paper around. We need really professional plumbers and electricians and technicians that can do a good job and get well paid and not feel that they are second class citizens.

Too many unemployed chiefs and a multitude of unskilled Indians (whatever, race, colour, creed) spells doom for our future.

If we are to build a GREAT Britaun we need an elite of highly respected people to inspire and lead and employ a highly skilled workforce to global success!

I remain optimistic. No, I don't. Dammit. :(

Moylando

Are you denying that extraordinary rendition exists? That the CIA and other American organisations kidnapped people all over the world and either directly or with the assistance of third parties such as Gaddafi tortured and murdered them?

Are you denying that people have been sent from this country by our government to be tortured?

http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/index.php (also good on disappearing freedom of speech)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sea...news/?q=libya%20torture

Are you denying that British security services were complicit?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ciarendition

An all party committee of UK parliamentarians begs to differ.

http://www.extraordinaryrendition.org/

Are you denying that British citizens who have done nothing that is illegal in this country can be extradited to America for trial without any evidence required?

http://www.ft.com/cms/f3...-b63a-00144feabdc0.html

http://www.ft.com/cms/af...-9b45-0000779fd2ac.html

Once in America no one is safe.

Are you denying that in the paranoia following 9/11 human rights, habeus corpus, due process and all the other protections which once existed have been so weakened a to be non-existent?

Search Google on "Homeland Security Act +Civil liberties"

You are living in the past, in a land that if it ever existed is long gone.

Follow these links, do some research.

I hope that you will be distressed to find that I am right.

Fighting the evils of terrorism, Uncle Sam and successive Quisling regimes in the UK have come ever more closely to resemble those they hate.

The USA and Britain are governed by nominal Christians too lazy, stupid or hypocritical to read their own holy book:

The Bible says, in (Romans 12:19-21 NIV) Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. {20} On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." {21} Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good".

Your rose tinted spectacles are blocking your vision.

Of course we dont have true democracies................. We may be allowed to elect the politicians every 4-5 years, but the civil service (who pull all the strings) is never elected. Yes Minister ?
Alan