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Robin B
Posted: 01 November 2024 08:39:26(UTC)

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ben ski;324152 wrote:
Far left and far right are both collectivist cults, and examples of how people are politicised to become pawns for an elite that doesn't care about them or their phoney politics one bit.

But to get this Marxist nonsense out of our legal system and media, it has to be regulated out of higher education... There's no point fighting it on the streets or comments sections – universities are indoctrination camps for this stuff, and often little else... Fighting and division is what they want.


The Tories made a small and rather late attempt to tackle this with the so called free speech on campus bill that was on the verge of passing into law a few months ago. This current government cancelled it immediately.

I think we need to reduce funding for most humanities and arts courses and allow a lot of the universities to either shrink or close down. There will be a societal benefit from that alone, although some of the money saved should be spent on developing useful skills which we are lacking in our economy.

By the way, you might be interested in this book:

"Days of Rage: America's Radical Underground, the FBI, and the Forgotten Age of Revolutionary Violence" (Bryan Burrough)

It discusses the now forgotten period of leftist violence in the US during the 1970s. It has been memory holed because it portrays the Left, i.e. the regime, in a poor light. Note the comparison with the glowing memories of the 1960s which we hear a lot about. By the 70s though, the Left had become emboldened and engaged in a murderous campaign of violence intended to change US society. There were 2000 bombing incidents in 1972 alone. Most people will be amazed to read this. Actually, I think the fifth Dirty Harry film was something of a reference to what was going on. Here's the key part, which links to your post: some of the most violent culprits, who spent years in prison, ended up as professors at well known universities! Just consider what that says about how the academic landscape must look, not to mention the wider effects.

In this country something like half of young people are spending several years in these places...
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Robin B
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ANDREW FOSTER
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So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂
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Sara G
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ANDREW FOSTER;324319 wrote:

So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂


Care to place a wager? Say, £50 to your / my favourite charity. How exactly are you defining 'finished'?
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Jay P on 02/11/2024(UTC)
Robert D
Posted: 02 November 2024 17:29:01(UTC)

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Sara G;324323 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;324319 wrote:

So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂


Care to place a wager? Say, £50 to your / my favourite charity. How exactly are you defining 'finished'?



Keir Starmer turned the Labour party around within 1 term so Badenoch could do the same for the Conservatives. I doubt it though. Badenoch has serious character flaws and is ideologically very right wing - anathema to most British people. And she has the spectre of Farage in the background.
Laurence O'Brien
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Robert D;324325 wrote:
Sara G;324323 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;324319 wrote:

So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂


Care to place a wager? Say, £50 to your / my favourite charity. How exactly are you defining 'finished'?



Keir Starmer turned the Labour party around within 1 term so Badenoch could do the same for the Conservatives. I doubt it though. Badenoch has serious character flaws and is ideologically very right wing - anathema to most British people. And she has the spectre of Farage in the background.


In what way is she very right wing? Only someone from the far left could think this.
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Robin B
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Strangely, this doesn't resonate with me at all.

I'll be voting Reform.

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stephen_s on 02/11/2024(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
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Sara G;324323 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;324319 wrote:

So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂


Care to place a wager? Say, £50 to your / my favourite charity. How exactly are you defining 'finished'?


Fair question. so I will define it as...

'They will never win a general election with her as leader. '

I would take a bet on that specific point?

But in the wider context I expect the Tory vote to split between Lib/Dems and Reform
Sara G
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ANDREW FOSTER;324340 wrote:
Sara G;324323 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;324319 wrote:

So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂


Care to place a wager? Say, £50 to your / my favourite charity. How exactly are you defining 'finished'?


Fair question. so I will define it as...

'They will never win a general election with her as leader. '

I would take a bet on that specific point?

But in the wider context I expect the Tory vote to split between Lib/Dems and Reform


OK, I will pay out to your charity if they don't win a GE with Kemi as leader.

(NB what happens in the unlikely event that there is a coalition with Reform or the Lib Dems, does that still count as a win? I would argue that it does, as long as Kemi is still the Party leader.)

My chosen charity is The Dogs Trust. :)
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Jay P on 02/11/2024(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
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Sara G;324342 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;324340 wrote:
Sara G;324323 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;324319 wrote:

So, it seems the new Tory leader is Kemi.

PMSL they are finished as a party.

Reform now looks more moderate...😂


Care to place a wager? Say, £50 to your / my favourite charity. How exactly are you defining 'finished'?


Fair question. so I will define it as...

'They will never win a general election with her as leader. '

I would take a bet on that specific point?

But in the wider context I expect the Tory vote to split between Lib/Dems and Reform


OK, I will pay out to your charity if they don't win a GE with Kemi as leader.

(NB what happens in the unlikely event that there is a coalition with Reform or the Lib Dems, does that still count as a win? I would argue that it does, as long as Kemi is still the Party leader.)

My chosen charity is The Dogs Trust. :)


OK...it's a deal.

In the event of a coalition I'd still consider it to be a win if she becomes PM...but not if the Tories are the junior partner. That would be a win for whoever the main party is.

My chosen charity is Ashgate Hospice....
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Sara G on 02/11/2024(UTC)
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