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Gilt Yields at 26 year highs
SF100
Posted: 06 November 2024 20:07:56(UTC)
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Hilda Ogden;324849 wrote:
Having travelled extensively in Asia, I can say that the UK certainly now feels a lot more 3rd world than some so called 3rd world countries do. In some aspects that is.


Better soap operas here though.
Although they are also on the slide.
I do miss Mahabharat though.
SF100
Posted: 06 November 2024 20:28:06(UTC)
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Rob B;324852 wrote:
This 'lack of productivity' is what the next few governments need to tackle.


Agree with most of your post Rob.

There are now even more meetings: what used to be a telephone call or a walk round to speak to someone at their desk to thrash out a solution, is now a scheduled meeting on Teams or whatever with other gobshites involved. Even WFH means more telephoning and the inevitable small talk soaking up time. FFS I even get messages asking if it's OK to phone me, WTF.

Until there is a heavy recession & folk are forced back into the office, productivity will certainly not improve.
However, that might take a generation in itself, as folk are now less accustomed to working in a vibrant atmosphere. On top of that is a seeming desire to move the country to a 4-day working week... lol


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Thrugelmir
Posted: 06 November 2024 22:20:26(UTC)
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Jed Mires;324850 wrote:
Gilts are taking their cue from todays biggest sell off in US Treasuries for 5 years. US markets are pricing in tax cuts and growth policies from Trump, leading to higher inflation. As usual its all about what happens in the US.


Or doesn't happen. There's a discussion to be had that's being avoided. Eventually the wheels will come off. Time to buy the popcorn, sitback and watch.
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ben ski
Posted: 06 November 2024 23:14:05(UTC)
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For decades, GDP growth's been driven by immigration... Whatever the politics, it's there in the numbers – people are willing to work more for less; in some cases (Punjabis, Chinese..) they build more businesses, are more likely to own property, more focused on education, etc. – it's why we bring so many in...

Without that, what is the UK? A financial hub with a bit of natural resources. And ofc, you keep importing people, it's not really a country or culture anymore – it's an airport lounge. And at some point, the brightest and best aren't going to want to come to Peckham or Northampton – they're going to go to Dubai, Singapore, Chongqing.. with modern infrastructure: clean; habitable.

It's been said that people land in Heathrow or LAX (US), get in a taxi and drive over potholes. Weak investment in infrastructure seems to set the stage for general decay. One reason I invest 20-30% in infrastructure is because we need a lot more of it – whether that happens... But the next phase of productivity growth will be AI and automation – which is a revolution happening right now, that only about 5% of people are aware of – and it will be deflationary (this is Cathy Woods' view). And we'll be able to keep printing money and there'll be a lot of growth supporting that. And we get the 1% everything economy. Returns on all investments become cash-like – but markets can climb a lot to get there.

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Elspeth Beaton
Posted: 06 November 2024 23:45:00(UTC)
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After Brexit we are not members of the EEC
Starmer and Lammy then proceed to get the wrong side of the worlds major economy
Did no one tell them betting against America is a bad idea
Gilt rises may have a while to go yet -may undo Reeves economic policies completely
What times
xxd09
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 06 November 2024 23:50:30(UTC)
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Elspeth Beaton;324874 wrote:

Gilt rises may have a while to go yet -may undo Reeves economic policies completely



And correspondingly Trump's.
Peanuts
Posted: 07 November 2024 07:10:23(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;324871 wrote:
Jed Mires;324850 wrote:
Gilts are taking their cue from todays biggest sell off in US Treasuries for 5 years. US markets are pricing in tax cuts and growth policies from Trump, leading to higher inflation. As usual its all about what happens in the US.


Or doesn't happen. There's a discussion to be had that's being avoided. Eventually the wheels will come off. Time to buy the popcorn, sitback and watch.


As we’ve seen over the past few years you can run out of popcorn waiting for the wheels to fall off.
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L.P.
Posted: 07 November 2024 08:03:26(UTC)
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Rookie Investor;324769 wrote:
NoMoreKickingCans;324766 wrote:
Gilts continue to plummet as we become a third world country under this Labour administration.

The yield on 20 year gilts is now at 5.05%, it has not been significantly higher than this since 1998.

IMO this spells disaster for the country. The bond market is saying Britain is bust and the only way we can pay our debts is by devaluing the pound by printing money.

Any stock market blip seems likely to be short lived as we are plunged into recession and a bunch of those companies that BEG have identified as struggling under debt - much of it caused by covid insanity - go under.

Explain to me why I am wrong ?


It is you that needs to explain why you are right. None of what you say is even remotely considered as analysis.

Can I just say you come across as extremely deluded! Your username checks out.


…..and sensational i would say. Was the same during the pandemic… conspiracies and all that.

But… why the hell do we need yet another thread regarding gilts? This is just attention seekingfrom the OP (“ooo look at my succesful thread” etc).
We have more than enough threads on gilts/bonds already and this is so annoying.

As someone who holds a hell of a lot ‘fixed income’ in his portfolio, I obviously have views that I would like to share but I have not got the time to post them views on a handful of different threads.
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Rookie Investor
Posted: 07 November 2024 10:40:33(UTC)
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L.P.;324891 wrote:
Rookie Investor;324769 wrote:
NoMoreKickingCans;324766 wrote:
Gilts continue to plummet as we become a third world country under this Labour administration.

The yield on 20 year gilts is now at 5.05%, it has not been significantly higher than this since 1998.

IMO this spells disaster for the country. The bond market is saying Britain is bust and the only way we can pay our debts is by devaluing the pound by printing money.

Any stock market blip seems likely to be short lived as we are plunged into recession and a bunch of those companies that BEG have identified as struggling under debt - much of it caused by covid insanity - go under.

Explain to me why I am wrong ?


It is you that needs to explain why you are right. None of what you say is even remotely considered as analysis.

Can I just say you come across as extremely deluded! Your username checks out.


…..and sensational i would say. Was the same during the pandemic… conspiracies and all that.

But… why the hell do we need yet another thread regarding gilts? This is just attention seekingfrom the OP (“ooo look at my succesful thread” etc).
We have more than enough threads on gilts/bonds already and this is so annoying.

As someone who holds a hell of a lot ‘fixed income’ in his portfolio, I obviously have views that I would like to share but I have not got the time to post them views on a handful of different threads.


Unfortunately this forum is more akin to discussing things down the local pub with similar low information / average IQ people.

There are some good posters, but it is rare.
Thrugelmir
Posted: 07 November 2024 13:01:49(UTC)
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Peanuts;324884 wrote:
Thrugelmir;324871 wrote:
Jed Mires;324850 wrote:
Gilts are taking their cue from todays biggest sell off in US Treasuries for 5 years. US markets are pricing in tax cuts and growth policies from Trump, leading to higher inflation. As usual its all about what happens in the US.


Or doesn't happen. There's a discussion to be had that's being avoided. Eventually the wheels will come off. Time to buy the popcorn, sitback and watch.


As we’ve seen over the past few years you can run out of popcorn waiting for the wheels to fall off.


As we've seen recently when the wheels do come off the correction can be painfully short and sharp.
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