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Nvidia share buy back
Andrew59
Posted: 20 November 2024 23:05:24(UTC)
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$11 billion stock buy back in the last quarter (Q3), and cash in bank still rose from $33bn to $38bn
(By comparison Apple has about $56bn cash after debt is taken into account).

So either Nvidia thinks its' share price will go a lot higher and it'll be a wise investment - giving shareholders added value - or it can't think what to do with cash / can't get a good enough return if it uses it itself.

Am I missing something?
Thoughts?

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SF100 on 20/11/2024(UTC)
Thrugelmir
Posted: 20 November 2024 23:38:52(UTC)
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US tax legislation has long been more favourable to long term capital gains as opposed to dividend income. Given most US companies also use stock options to reward their management teams. Then in many cases it's the management's own self interest to buy back the stock they are issuing. Particularly if their remuneration is in some way linked to the share price. Corporate Governance of US companies is below that of the standards required in the UK under Company Law.

On a broader note. Not related to Nvidia per se. Company Finance Directors or in the case of US companies CFO's. Will wish to present the results in the best possible light. Drawing attention to the positive highlights. Takes a highly trained financial analyst, such as Terry Smith, to identify where the manipulation has occured. Within the many pages of published financial information and disclosure.
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John Bran
Posted: 18 December 2024 11:24:15(UTC)
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I consider buying backs on such highly rated shares as highly dodgy. They are basically buying shares to issue to staff. Instead of creating new shares. It's a way of hiding just how overpaid the management are. Much more prevalent in the US than the UK.
If instead they created new shares it would result in a much reduced earnings per share increase, possibly a decrease. They are hiding the management pay.
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Newbie on 18/12/2024(UTC)
Johan De Silva
Posted: 18 December 2024 12:29:25(UTC)
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Analysts are unable to accurately predict revenue from AI, they don't know how, and for this reason, believe NVIDIA is undervalued. They certainly cant use the cash they are swimming in. There is too much of it. It will act as a drag on operational performance. Its the same with UK based ALPH who have an avalanche of NTI.

All this cash is a real problem...
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Newbie on 18/12/2024(UTC)
Newbie
Posted: 18 December 2024 12:48:15(UTC)
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Johan De Silva;328994 wrote:
Analysts are unable to accurately predict revenue from AI, they don't know how, and for this reason, believe NVIDIA is undervalued. They certainly cant use the cash they are swimming in. There is too much of it. It will act as a drag on operational performance. Its the same with UK based ALPH who have an avalanche of NTI.

All this cash is a real problem...

True but the FCF of Nvidia is not great in comparison to the likes of boring stuff like SPGI, FICO Netflix.
Then as you point out - there is the unpredictability element.
The current share price is bit more about hype and potential rather than FCF. A big chunk of revenue is going to pay stock based comp - why they trail the SPGI's, NFLX etc.
However their investments in the likes of ARM gives them some power
Then there is other investments such as SOUND, SERV - have shot to the moon.
Finally you have the recent announcement re tie up with TSLA which further boosts their potential.
Overall their current dominance in chips may become their weak point and may lead them to become an incubator for AI companies and, like Amazon they will just chew up competition (like the ARM stake).
For all of these they need access to cash.
So whilst Buybacks id dodgy accounting to keep share price afloat and high, they can use it later down the line.
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Posted: 18 December 2024 13:14:22(UTC)
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The best trust to get involved is possibly PCT where NVIDIA is double digit top holding on 12% discount.

Newbie;328999 wrote:
The current share price is bit more about hype and potential rather than FCF.
Is it hype though. The ChatGPT website receives approximately 1.6 billion visits per month. Getting a small percentage of those users to pay a monthly subscription provides pricing power for the entire value chain.

The buybacks will provide a bit of support in the meantime.
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Newbie on 18/12/2024(UTC)
Newbie
Posted: 18 December 2024 13:57:32(UTC)
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Johan De Silva;329002 wrote:
Newbie;328999 wrote:
The current share price is bit more about hype and potential rather than FCF.
Is it hype though. The ChatGPT website receives approximately 1.6 billion visits per month. Getting a small percentage of those users to pay a monthly subscription provides pricing power for the entire value chain.

The buybacks will provide a bit of support in the meantime.

Under the bonnet for this piece of business - Nvidia relies on usage of third party who use another third party and they all share the revenue - whilst this is good in the short term.
Open AI already has a desire to create chips themselves with the likes of TMSC and Broadcom (not NVIDIA) - how long does that income last ?

Consider the notion that - someone like GOOG has its own AI model but not the chips - Nvidia;s income is primarily a chip supplier.

Now consider someone like Broadcom who is now focusing on helping companies ( such as Open AI), and others like say GOOG, develop chips. Now GOOG has its own Chips and AI model also and does not need ChatGPT.

Now Nvidia's advantage of being a chip manufacturer has fallen away - there was no MOAT around it. It's success was reliant on a third party. Look at Intel and Apple.

So Nvidia needs to do a Amazon, Facebook and Google - diversify and invest - which it is doing - being an investor and incubator of AI companies.

The Tesla tie up should give it legs to run (along with the ARM investment) - - so make hay while the sun is shining.

In fact institutional investors are piling into TSLA at inflated prices as they have now come to the realisation that it is not a car company (which many retail investors have been saying) but an AI company. The electric car race was a diversion. The new race which it is likely to win is the Robotic race (which the likes of Honda and Sony started back in the 90's but treated as a game)
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Raj K on 18/12/2024(UTC), Johan De Silva on 18/12/2024(UTC)
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