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Bob Macondale
Posted: 31 December 2024 22:23:55(UTC)
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I used Hargreaves Lansdown annuity web site for quotes. For flat rate life annuity that also paid 100% to my wife if I died, the best rate was 6.1% (I am 62, my wife 61). I have not made a decision on whether to do anything and might just leave my SIPP as is which I am drawing down currently at 6%. The overall value of my SIPP has fallen over the last few years primarily due to the capital hit on income generating investments such as infrastructure and renewable investment trusts. For me, other than my wife, inheritance is a non issue, once we have both died, not worried that there is no capital to pass onto anyone. The question for me is do I want a guaranteed 6% for the rest of my and my wife’s life, or stick with my current 6% SIPP drawdown with the uncertainty on whether this runs out or if some of my investments recover or dividends increase over time meaning I can increase the drawdown to perhaps keep up with inflation. I would no doubt come at this differently if I was wanting to pass on the value of my SIPP so I do get some of the other comments.
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AlanT on 03/01/2025(UTC)
Geoff Fitz
Posted: 31 December 2024 22:35:21(UTC)
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I believe the big issue with DB and annuities is lack of flexibility. a healthy pensioner needs cash 62-75 to do interesting things post 75 its generally about a little fun and survival by 80 its usually cant spend what you get (if a reasonable pension) after that if the care home fees kick in ......well thats life. I've seen people age and they have all done it it with relative ease even from modest starts. My Dads 92 can only spend about 25% of his modest income as is still capable of looking after himself. But he didn't have a ball when he was 65 and fit .............
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GARRY TAYLOR on 01/01/2025(UTC), Carl blue nose on 01/01/2025(UTC), AlanT on 03/01/2025(UTC), Guest on 12/02/2025(UTC)
Carl blue nose
Posted: 01 January 2025 07:55:07(UTC)
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Bob Macondale;329815 wrote:
I used Hargreaves Lansdown annuity web site for quotes. For flat rate life annuity that also paid 100% to my wife if I died, the best rate was 6.1% (I am 62, my wife 61). I have not made a decision on whether to do anything and might just leave my SIPP as is which I am drawing down currently at 6%. The overall value of my SIPP has fallen over the last few years primarily due to the capital hit on income generating investments such as infrastructure and renewable investment trusts. For me, other than my wife, inheritance is a non issue, once we have both died, not worried that there is no capital to pass onto anyone. The question for me is do I want a guaranteed 6% for the rest of my and my wife’s life, or stick with my current 6% SIPP drawdown with the uncertainty on whether this runs out or if some of my investments recover or dividends increase over time meaning I can increase the drawdown to perhaps keep up with inflation. I would no doubt come at this differently if I was wanting to pass on the value of my SIPP so I do get some of the other comments.


6.1% guaranteed is not a bad return, but as someone said, when you get to your early 80s you may not be in a position to spend what income you have, so you put it in the bank or give it away? You won’t be able to control the amount of tax you will pay on annuity and how much will inflation impact and erode the value of static income.

My portfolio of global tracker funds over 5 and 10 years has an average annual return of 12%. You just need to have enough money in cash or MMFs to ride out any downturn in the markets to ensure you are not having to take income form falling values.

Good luck whatever you decide to do
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AlanT on 03/01/2025(UTC)
Jed Mires
Posted: 01 January 2025 12:23:30(UTC)
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You just don't go out and buy an annuity. Buying an annuity requires a lot of thinking and questioning beforehand. Why, what for, other options available etc. There are instances where an annuity is the best fit. For example ,once you have worked your annual expenditure for a reasonably comfortable lifestyle. You find your state pension and other pensions totals don't stretch to the required amount, then an annuity is a very good fit to fund the rest. This way you have your needs covered for life. What's left of your portfolio can be invested to fund the luxuries of life. If you are unsure about working out where an annuity could fit in your portfolio or whether to buy one then it's best to pay for professional advice (one of the very few instances where paying for advice could save you money).
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Thrugelmir on 01/01/2025(UTC), Newbie on 01/01/2025(UTC), AlanT on 03/01/2025(UTC), Mr TIPS on 06/01/2025(UTC)
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