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Did anyone panic and take out 25% tax free from their pension ?
Coste
Posted: 16 December 2024 18:54:11(UTC)
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Isaac J;328777 wrote:
Just a did a search of articles over the last few months. Nothing from the government even hinting at the removal of the tax free lump sum. But do you know which names kept coming up in my search? The Telegraph, Daily Mail and MoneyWeek. Take from that what you will…


Link below from the Guardian on 26th August 2024 printing the beliefs of the Fabian Society of how pension benefits could be reduced. I don't think you can say The Guardian is anything but left leaning.

https://www.theguardian....x-relief-fabian-society

https://fabians.org.uk/about-us/
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Isaac J
Posted: 16 December 2024 19:49:07(UTC)
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Coste;328787 wrote:
Isaac J;328777 wrote:
Just a did a search of articles over the last few months. Nothing from the government even hinting at the removal of the tax free lump sum. But do you know which names kept coming up in my search? The Telegraph, Daily Mail and MoneyWeek. Take from that what you will…


Link below from the Guardian on 26th August 2024 printing the beliefs of the Fabian Society of how pension benefits could be reduced. I don't think you can say The Guardian is anything but left leaning.

https://www.theguardian....x-relief-fabian-society

https://fabians.org.uk/about-us/


Not exactly the same frequency as The Telegraph, though (I did say *kept coming up*, after all), nor written in the same sensationalist style. I'm sure many left- and right-leaning newspapers or magazines reported the possibility at least once. But did they do it repeatedly every few days?

https://www.telegraph.co...e-lump-sum-winter-fuel/
https://www.telegraph.co...ions-tax-free-lump-sum/
https://www.telegraph.co...lump-sums-impoverished/
https://www.telegraph.co...breach-recycling-rules/
https://www.telegraph.co...er-labour-pensions-tax/
https://www.telegraph.co...raid-lump-sum-pensions/
https://www.telegraph.co...s-protect-money-budget/
https://www.telegraph.co...-cap-pensions-lump-sum/
https://www.telegraph.co...panic-pension-tax-raid/
https://www.telegraph.co...ension-cash-ruin-lives/
https://www.telegraph.co...-17bn-destroy-pensions/
https://www.telegraph.co...uit-labour-pension-tax/

etc etc etc (there is even more)
L.P.
Posted: 17 December 2024 16:35:15(UTC)
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Sara G;328291 wrote:
I suppose people really shouldn't have acted in haste, but if the government hadn't been floating so many alarming possibilities around pensions, perhaps they wouldn't have felt the need to do so.


Was it the Goverment or elements of the right wing traditionally supporting Tory press that were pushing this? .



In a nutshell… no. The recommendations for pension reform, including changes to the tax free lump sum and annual tax allowances on contributions came from the ‘Fabian Society’ the socialist think tank and advisors on policy to Labour governments and from which The Labour Party was actually formed. Many past and present Labour front benchers are members.

See their pension recommendations here. I am convinced that the longer Labour are in power, the closer we will get to these recommended changes.
https://fabians.org.uk/p.../expensive-and-unequal/

The headline/description read as follows:

EXPENSIVE AND UNEQUAL
BY ANDREW HARROP
PUBLISHED 26 AUGUST 2024
TOPICS PENSIONS
In July 2024, chancellor of the exchequer Rachel Reeves MP confirmed that she will raise taxes in October’s budget. Reform of tax relief on pension contributions is said to be on her menu of options. Such changes have been proposed previously by the Fabian Society. In this report, the Fabian Society’s general secretary, Andrew Harrop, sets out the case for measures to reduce and redistribute pension tax relief. He also sets out a menu of reform options.
As things stand, individual pension contributions are exempt from income tax, employer pension contributions are exempt from income tax and national insurance, and pension investments are untaxed. This all falls under the umbrella of pension tax relief.
Almost all workers receive far more in tax relief on their pension contributions and investments than they can expect to pay in tax on their pension income. This is especially true for high earners. As Labour looks for revenue sources that do not breach its manifesto commitments, reform of pension tax relief should be a priority, Harrop argues.


Note the bit about ‘redistribution’.

So, hardly right wing Tory press.

As for the original question… i activated my 25% tax free allowances after being advised by both Vanguard and H/L that I had one month to reverse the whole process and repay the lump sum if I changed my mind. It did not get that far anyway and I was able to cancel the process.

Pension tax reform…… delayed…. but coming soon. Be prepared.
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Andrew1952
Posted: 29 December 2024 18:01:22(UTC)
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Has HMRC taken the view that anyone who took their 25% tax free lump sum and does not intend to purchase an annuity or other approved transaction cannot make use of the 30 day cooling-off
period to put that money back in ?. I'm not sure how to interpret their comment below -

https://www.gov.uk/gover...gistered-pension-scheme

Here is the relevent text from the above link -

"If the conditions for making a payment of a PCLS or UFPLS are not met, for example if a member is not entitled to a relevant pension such as a pension, a lifetime annuity or putting funds into drawdown, within 6 months of the PCLS being paid, it is an unauthorised payment and the unauthorised payments charges will apply. Read the Pensions Tax Manual: PTM063210 and Pensions Tax Manual: PTM063300 for further details.

The payment of a tax-free lump sum cannot be undone and the member’s lump sum allowance will not be restored. The lump sum must be tested against their lump sum allowance at the time the lump sum was paid from their pension scheme."

L.P.
Posted: 04 January 2025 08:42:19(UTC)
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Not sure how to interpret the HMRC ruling but I was assured by both H/L and Vanguard that as long as I did not withdraw from my ‘drawdown’ account, I had, in effect, a one month cooling off period whereby they would restore the status of my account to where it was before the request was made.

It certainly makes sense to be granted a ‘cooling off’ period for what is deemed as a huge decision.
Julianw
Posted: 04 January 2025 10:31:12(UTC)
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I activated my remaining tax free lump sum (less than 10K) with ii within 30 days of the budget.

Got the money in my bank account; and asked to reverse the process soon after the budget. All done and dusted 2 weeks thereafter. Shout out for ii.

No idea how the HMRC directive will affect me! Feels like HMRC is making the rules up as it goes!
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