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Investors Anonymous - Suggestions wanted for simplified portfolio for 75yr old
You have to change your life
Posted: 07 January 2025 09:34:54(UTC)
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I would suggest the following for the second half of your lives.

Sell all current holdings

Buy LGEN.L to fund your drawdown requirement. It pays 9% so - without even depleting your holding - there should be some spare room in your ISAs for growth stocks. For that and your pension, I recommend the biggest American companies. Although some would consider them risky, keep the fear in perspective. They are thousands of times bigger than the "wealth preserver" funds you are invested in and have revenues to match.

Set it up and forget about it. Don't rebalance: LGEN is priced as it was ten years ago, if it stays the same for the next ten, it suits your purpose; and the market will decide which of the others to pare or go overweight.

Pretty simple.
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Posted: 07 January 2025 16:45:28(UTC)
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Only a small point but remember to take any tax free income available if there is leeway between your state pensions and your personal tax free allowances of £12500 each
A possible tax free £2-3000 pa each is always a help
Doing this procedure also allows you to learn how to handle bigger SIPP withdrawals in the future ie getting
to grips with the Government Gateway and online P55 tax reclaim forms
xxd09
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Posted: 07 January 2025 17:02:31(UTC)
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You have to change your life;330264 wrote:
I would suggest the following for the second half of your lives.

Sell all current holdings

Buy LGEN.L to fund your drawdown requirement. It pays 9% so - without even depleting your holding - there should be some spare room in your ISAs for growth stocks. For that and your pension, I recommend the biggest American companies. Although some would consider them risky, keep the fear in perspective. They are thousands of times bigger than the "wealth preserver" funds you are invested in and have revenues to match.

Set it up and forget about it. Don't rebalance: LGEN is priced as it was ten years ago, if it stays the same for the next ten, it suits your purpose; and the market will decide which of the others to pare or go overweight.

Pretty simple.


IMO a very high risk set up and shows signs of inexperience. I feel sure that a Professional would not be supportive.. Sorry to be rather harsh but have seen many great ideas fail.
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You have to change your life
Posted: 07 January 2025 18:23:34(UTC)
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Big boy;330314 wrote:


IMO a very high risk set up and shows signs of inexperience. I feel sure that a Professional would not be supportive.. Sorry to be rather harsh but have seen many great ideas fail.


That's perfectly all right, Big Boy - different opinions to be expected and I shan't be offended if this set-up doesn't have the support of a "Professional."

I don't believe the industry has caught up with people's raised expectations of a personal pension after the Pension Freedoms Acts. So the legacy support its experienced Professionals offers still tends to be a comfortable glidepath to zero. If that is the journey's end Alan-T wants - and I don't think it is - he won't lack assistance.

It's hardly a "great idea" but I wouldn't call it particularly "high risk" either. I don't see those mega caps collapsing. They may well evolve into stable dividend paying stocks, META and GOOGL started paying quarterly dividends last year. Yields are tiny, but not if you bought in to the stock ten years ago.
Of course, there is always the risk of drawdown exacerbating the damage of a sequence of poor returns but Alan-T does have three years' emergency cash should a break be needed. People feel losses more than gains. The industry knows it hence the benefit of a good sequence of returns is underplayed imho. Put it this way, had Alan-T had made different choices three years ago, he wouldn't be apprehensive now.

Having said all that, I should hate to see Mr and Mrs T embark on any course that makes them unhappy.
That would defeat the object of the exercise and being happy is far more important than being rich.

Best of luck!

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Posted: 08 January 2025 13:42:46(UTC)
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Well I'm not in my 70s yet but the thought of having my pension invested in 6/7 US (tech) companies and 1 UK insurer would keep me awake at night, every night - and my investments are only to provide desired "luxuries" over and above what substantial DB pensions can pay for.

Guess I would probably die before my time due to the stress and so the strategy might work for my shortened lifespan but a weird way to be proven correct.

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You have to change your life
Posted: 09 January 2025 10:11:31(UTC)
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AlanP2;330426 wrote:
Well I'm not in my 70s yet but the thought of having my pension invested in 6/7 US (tech) companies and 1 UK insurer would keep me awake at night, every night - and my investments are only to provide desired "luxuries" over and above what substantial DB pensions can pay for.

Guess I would probably die before my time due to the stress and so the strategy might work for my shortened lifespan but a weird way to be proven correct.



The mega-cap side is not as stressful as people imagine. A holding of four should be enough. I would not recommend Nividia, nor Tesla in this instance. Admittedly the others are still near the top of the volatility hierarchy but they do not generally perform as one. Times they do - when the economic outlook looks parlous - correspond with a flight of money to the safety of the dollar. Customarily, that cushions between a fifth and a quarter of the downturn, in my experience. This week, for example.

On a ten to fifteen year outlook, and beyond, stocks are likely the fastest way to climb from A to B. That won't change because you are getting older and the wisdom of changing from accumulation to decumulation is lost on me. Perhaps I shall feel it when I reach seventy-five, don slippers and cardigan, settle into a rocking chair and search for a radio station that plays "Your age in bonds" and other old favourites.
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Posted: 09 January 2025 10:36:55(UTC)
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You have to change your life;330528 wrote:
AlanP2;330426 wrote:
Well I'm not in my 70s yet but the thought of having my pension invested in 6/7 US (tech) companies and 1 UK insurer would keep me awake at night, every night - and my investments are only to provide desired "luxuries" over and above what substantial DB pensions can pay for.

Guess I would probably die before my time due to the stress and so the strategy might work for my shortened lifespan but a weird way to be proven correct.



The mega-cap side is not as stressful as people imagine. A holding of four should be enough. I would not recommend Nividia, nor Tesla in this instance. Admittedly the others are still near the top of the volatility hierarchy but they do not generally perform as one. Times they do - when the economic outlook looks parlous - correspond with a flight of money to the safety of the dollar. Customarily, that cushions between a fifth and a quarter of the downturn, in my experience. This week, for example.

On a ten to fifteen year outlook, and beyond, stocks are likely the fastest way to climb from A to B. That won't change because you are getting older and the wisdom of changing from accumulation to decumulation is lost on me. Perhaps I shall feel it when I reach seventy-five, don slippers and cardigan, settle into a rocking chair and search for a radio station that plays "Your age in bonds" and other old favourites.



I agree with some of your points such as "your age in bonds" for example but for many of the retirees on here they are already at Point B and their focus is on not slipping back to Point A.

Taking a highly concentrated exposure as you suggest is I would think unlikely to appeal or feel comfortable to the majority of retirees particularly as they age.

My plan to stay at Point B is for 55% Global Equities / 15% Alternative ITs / 15% Bonds & PBs / 15% Cash.

For context, as everybody's situation is different and there is no "one size fits all" answer, this is to provide the icing on the cake of good, inflation linked DBs and SPs that will more than cover a good standard of living for us.
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Reynaldo Reyes
Posted: 12 January 2025 14:49:33(UTC)
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I don’t know what I’m doing as an investor. I’m more confident in letting third-parties use my money for their investments than me determining where to put it.
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