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TPAW Planner - an interesting online drawdown simulator
Joe 90
Posted: 14 January 2025 10:28:31(UTC)
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Neminem Laedit;331074 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;330993 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;330832 wrote:


(note: if you have set Decrease Risk Tolerance with Age > 0 the RRA today will be higher, leading to a lower stock allocation from the Merton equation...)



The default setting is 2, meaning that your risk tolerance decreases through life by a small amount. In other words, your RRA (relative risk aversion) increases.

It follows that your actual risk tolerance at the start of your plan will depend on your age at the start of the plan, and decreases throughout the plan. (increasing RRA)


You can find what your actual risk tolerance is today, and the associated RRA, by viewing the table under

Risk>Advanced>Decrease Risk Tolerance With Age>Risk Tolerance Table

So by moving the slider you could calibrate the model to accord with your personal, gut-feeling RRA of today, and/or the RRA you imagine you would have at the end of life.

For example:

This is a table of your risk tolerances at key ages:

Your Age........ Risk Tolerance...... Relative Risk Aversion (RRA)
At Age 20...............22.0...............................0.68
Now........................14.7...............................2.04
Retirement.............14.6...............................2.07
Max Age...................9.0...............................4.79

An RRA < 1 implies risk-seeking behaviour. Who wasn't that aged 20 ? Lol...

(I think Ben starts it at age 20 because the planner has also to be useable for Accumulators)

I’ve reset the Decrease Risk Tolerance With Age slider back to its default which gives me a 2. This results in my asset allocation suggesting around 65% equities for the whole period, which I’m comfortable with.

I think I’ll need to spend some time in a darkened room with a cold towel over my head if I’m to understand exactly what’s going on. Useful brain exercise!
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Neminem Laedit on 14/01/2025(UTC)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 15 January 2025 09:52:37(UTC)
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Joe 90;331078 wrote:


I think I’ll need to spend some time in a darkened room with a cold towel over my head if I’m to understand exactly what’s going on. Useful brain exercise!


That is the beauty of TPAW Planner.

It's been around now for over 4 years, and tested to destruction by Bogleheads and others. The math behind it has been around for over 50 years, until now buried in dense academic literature.

Ben has made it so simple that you don't have to understand the math. Just create the picture that satisfies the most. The picture is your Plan and the personal financial Utility of your retirement.

But if you want to dig a little deeper you can, which is a worthwhile education.

You can then see how ridiculous the alternative approach of guesstimates, "rules of thumb" and endless angst over SWRs really is...

Create your TPAW plan, and get on with enjoying life, with absolute confidence in the future.
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Neminem Laedit
Posted: 17 January 2025 09:38:19(UTC)
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Ben Mathew Ph.D is interviewed for The Rational Reminder Podcast.

https://youtu.be/-2Ul4bdHkXE?si=u7MVTNMG4Vg-6wbE

What drives the best financial planning decisions? In this episode, Ben Felix and Mark McGrath sit down with Ben Mathew, a PhD in economics from the University of Chicago and author of Economics: The Remarkable Story of How the Economy Works. The discussion explores the lifecycle model of economics, a powerful yet underutilized framework for financial planning, and contrasts it with traditional approaches like safe withdrawal rates (SWR). Ben Mathew shares insights into the lifecycle model, its origins, and its practical applications in aligning financial decisions with personal goals over a lifetime. We also dig into Ben’s innovative financial planning tool, TPAW (Total Portfolio Allocation and Withdrawal) Planner, designed to bring the lifecycle model into practice. While the discussion delves into the complexities of financial planning, it’s packed with actionable insights for listeners seeking smarter, evidence-based strategies. Join us for a deep dive into the lifecycle model and discover how it compares to traditional safe withdrawal rates.

Timestamps:

0:00:00​ Intro
0:03:20​ The main problem financial planning aims to solve
0:07:47​ How effective simple rules of thumb (like the 4% rule) are for long-term financial planning
0:12:37​ Why more people aren't using the lifecycle model
0:16:46​ The basic premise of the lifecycle model
0:21:15​ How withdrawals in the lifecycle model relate to amortization
0:25:38​ How amortization-based withdrawals change when risk is added
0:31:25​ With amortization-based variable withdrawals, how spending changes if the portfolio drops 10%
0:37:43​ The amount variability in spending seen in historical simulations
0:43:51​ How spending variability can be tailored to someone's preferences
0:50:55​ How quickly spending recovers after a market crash
0:55:13​ What the lifecycle model says about asset allocation
1:05:02​ How advice changes if we assume we have limited information about how expected returns vary through time
1:11:51​ How asset allocation in the model changes based on the time horizon of the goal being funded
1:17:38​ How asset allocation in the model changes with wealth
1:21:02​ How the Safe Withdrawal Rate (SWR) methodology works
1:25:18​ The problems with the SWR approach
1:37:36​ How the probability of success metric that drives SWR relates to the utility function in economics
1:42:55​ How a variable withdrawal strategy using SWR differs from Amortization Based Withdrawals
1:49:32​ Ben discusses his online Total Portfolio Allocation and Withdrawal (TPAW) tool
1:54:04​ Ben defines success in his life
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MrBatch
Posted: 28 January 2025 14:08:53(UTC)
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Interesting comments and push back ? with regard to the Article by Ben Matthew

https://theitalianleathe...-lifecycle-model-vs-swr/
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Harry Gloom
Posted: 28 January 2025 16:25:35(UTC)
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TPAW takes portfolio drops or gains and spreads them across the remaining retirement timeline, so your withdrawal increases or falls are adjust accordingly, with the remaining time smoothing the adjustments. SWR basically plays for safety in the worst cases from the off, so you end up with more than you need at the end in many cases. so, you have to start with a larger portfolio to reach an acceptable minimum withdrawal rate.

Bottom line with all retirement withdrawal plans from invested assets is that a bad starting sequence of returns or a prolonged downturn will hurt your portfolio and present risks to withdrawals, no amount of fiddling with spreadsheets or models is going to change those basic facts. If your living expenses are to come from invested assets you need a sizeable starting pot and hope for an average or good 30/40 year period.

And no, dividend stocks aren't the answer either. A mix of guaranteed fixed income (state pensions, DB pensions, annuity, interest from cash/bonds) and the rest from investments reduces the risks.
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Posted: 28 January 2025 18:54:47(UTC)
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I am just not sure that investing can be reduced to a mere mathematical formula-how ever good that formula is
Life has too many variables
Obviously not saving enough is undesirable but saving too much is a winning formula especially for retirees where there is no road back
The argument is over how much is too much -how long is a piece of string?
Old farmers used to say “Always have an extra stack (of corn) in the stackyard”
I won’t worry with dying with a little(hopefully not a lot) too much but the alternative scenario of dying with or because of too little doesn’t bear thinking about
xxd09
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Neminem Laedit
Posted: 28 January 2025 21:53:55(UTC)
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MrBatch;332463 wrote:
Interesting comments and push back ? with regard to the Article by Ben Matthew

https://theitalianleathe...-lifecycle-model-vs-swr/


Mostly muddled meanderings, from who? versus a Professor of Economics.

He candidly admits he hasn't even looked at the Planner...
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 28 January 2025 21:57:15(UTC)
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Elspeth Beaton;332488 wrote:
I am just not sure that investing can be reduced to a mere mathematical formula-how ever good that formula is
Life has too many variables



Oh dear.

That is exactly the problem that ("mere") mathematics was created to solve...
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Elspeth Beaton
Posted: 28 January 2025 23:49:07(UTC)
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Am I wrong In thinking that Victor Haghani who is closely involved with TPAW was a founder member of LTCM -that investment formula that worked wonderfully till it didn’t?
Just makes me wonder a bit
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Neminem Laedit
Posted: 29 January 2025 01:10:47(UTC)

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Elspeth Beaton;332513 wrote:
Am I wrong In thinking that Victor Haghani who is closely involved with TPAW was a founder member of LTCM -that investment formula that worked wonderfully till it didn’t?
Just makes me wonder a bit
xxd09


He is not "closely involved" with TPAW, nor has he ever been. Ben Mathew Ph.D is the author of TPAW.

Haghani now believes in the Lifecycle model (Merton, 1969), which TPAW Planner also follows.

He recognises his error in not following this model, which maybe could have avoided his debacle with LTCM.
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