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Vanguard LifeStrategy 40% Equity
Harry Trout
Posted: 24 January 2025 12:40:13(UTC)
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Vanguard LifeStrategy funds are good benchmarks to my mind, marketed as they are as a one one stop shop. Here’s an example …..

James Shack - The One Fund You Will Ever Need?

I’ve already shared some workings on dedicated LifeStrategy 80% and 60% threads which were well received so here is the 40% version to complete the set.

My thought right now is that it is unlikely I would ever stray outside of 40% - 80% equities in our portfolio. I like to keep tabs on these three and benchmark our portfolio performance against them.

Here are the latest holdings in VLS 40% which I will update from time to time if there is interest:

VLS 40% Holdings

Our portfolio, which has been running at nearer to 50% equity since 2022, has less volatility than VLS 40% measured by a rolling 36 months calculation of standard deviation. I’m guessing that this is because I have so much in shorter duration investments – MMFs, ERNS, gilts maturing < 5 years.

Interested in any insight or opinion from the forum as to why LifeStrategy products don’t appear to have any short duration bonds?

Here is the performance data for LifeStrategy 40% measured on month end prices of accumulation units since launch. To explain, since launch in June 2011 there have been 152 rolling 12 month periods with an average % return of 5.5% and so on:

VLS 40% Performance

I find these workings useful because if I were to hold something like this it would be on a buy and forget basis. So looking at the 10 year figures I might say to myself that it’s not unreasonable to expect 5% per annum long term and that the range of outcomes at the extremes might be 2% to 8% per annum allowing for 3 standard deviations. Depending on the timeframe held, you are more likely to end up nearer to 5%.

That is not attractive to me. The 80% version has an average return of 9% per annum with a range of 6% to 12% (in extremis) and this is more acceptable.

So I’m going to continue to push equities higher carefully over time as my concerns about sequence of returns risk
subside. Noting also that it’s our kids (currently of teenage age) who will likely inherit the pot and so their timeframes are more relevant.

Anyway, that’s how I interpret the number crunching for now. It helps me and if there is interest I will pop an update on these LifeStrategy threads from time to time.

Context

Aged 57, retired. Kids at secondary school and dependent for roughly 7 years so we need to manage a sequence of returns risk. Estimating that we need low single digit returns to not run out of money in retirement / old age. I model investment returns forward at 3% per annum, inflation 4% and this model shows us not running out of money. Win by not losing, passive approach.
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SF100
Posted: 24 January 2025 12:49:23(UTC)
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Harry Trout;332112 wrote:
Interested in any insight or opinion from the forum as to why LifeStrategy products don’t appear to have any short duration bonds?


they do...
....they're embedded within all of the bond index funds...

If you want something with perhaps a little more transparency,
Look at their Target Retirement Date funds rather than LS,
although I think the TRD manager tends to change bond exposure to both type & maturity date based on...(something)
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Elspeth Beaton
Posted: 24 January 2025 13:06:16(UTC)
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Harry-understand your reasoning but…….
Can you remind me how you cope with market drops
Have you a large fund so drops don’t matter too much
Or have you a cash fund to call on during market downs
Or a bit of both?
xxd09
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 24 January 2025 14:50:19(UTC)
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SF100;332115 wrote:

they do...
....they're embedded within all of the bond index funds...

If you want something with perhaps a little more transparency,
Look at their Target Retirement Date funds rather than LS,


Horses for courses. LS are best descibed as long term accumulation funds. For those who rarely monitor their portfolio's as have little need to.
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Joe P
Posted: 24 January 2025 14:50:32(UTC)
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Elspeth Beaton;332120 wrote:
Harry-understand your reasoning but…….
Can you remind me how you cope with market drops
Have you a large fund so drops don’t matter too much
Or have you a cash fund to call on during market downs
Or a bit of both?
xxd09


"Drops"? What are those? Wasn't aware stocks were allowed to go down these days ;)
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 24 January 2025 14:54:11(UTC)
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Joe P;332132 wrote:
Elspeth Beaton;332120 wrote:
Harry-understand your reasoning but…….
Can you remind me how you cope with market drops
Have you a large fund so drops don’t matter too much
Or have you a cash fund to call on during market downs
Or a bit of both?
xxd09


"Drops"? What are those? Wasn't aware stocks were allowed to go down these days ;)


Ssh. Any mention of corrections and you'll be labelled a doomster. Beats me why people don't look where they are going.
Harry Trout
Posted: 24 January 2025 17:13:07(UTC)
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Elspeth Beaton;332120 wrote:
Harry-understand your reasoning but…….
Can you remind me how you cope with market drops
Have you a large fund so drops don’t matter too much
Or have you a cash fund to call on during market downs
Or a bit of both?
xxd09

We currently have around 5 years of expenses in cash which sits in term deposits outside of our investment accounts.

This cash gets us to within a couple of years of when the kids become financial independent and thus when my perceived sequence of returns risk is much reduced.

Thereafter I believe we will live off the passive income generated by our investments.

So we may well be in a position where we can take on more volatility (equities) as we age as long as we have enough buffer in the passive income to not be a forced seller.

I write about this on this forum because I think that it may be sub-obtimal for me not to challenge the oft-quoted mantras such as "your age in bonds" or "decide on your asset alllocation and stick to it through thick and thin".

This is all well and good if we can tough out the inevitable troughs and hold our nerve with a higher equity allocation.

Certainly I seem to be showing that the volatility of long term returns is the same for VLS 80% and VLS 40% based on their performance thus far. Noting of course that VLS funds have enjoyed bull run conditions since launch.

Understanding all of this should stiffen my resolve. I guess I'm really just sharing my plans for the forum sounding board as it all feels a bit counter intuitive !!
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Elspeth Beaton
Posted: 24 January 2025 18:49:51(UTC)
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Harry-Thanks for that
Age in bonds or age minus 10 in bonds -a John Bogle guide I think -certainly helped me when flailing about as an amateur investor approaching retirement long ago (now 22 yrs rtd) with a large pot at risk and needing some guidance-admittedly 20+ years ago when worthwhile financial advice was sadly lacking in the U.K.-Americans in the lead as usual with posts on the Vanguard Diehards now Bogleheads website being a great help to me
Retired with a 30/70 portfolio-conservative investor-currently 35/59/6 (where 6=cash)-seems to have worked -so far!
“Staying the Course” -another John Bogle saying has also served me well as one way of dealing with with savage equity market drops-2002,2008 and including bonds in 2022
Mainly an investment policy that deals with amateur investor panic!
More experienced investors of course buy on the dip and rebalance on the up -however sitting tight works just as well albeit with lesser performance -possibly. I could never do market timing so an investment policy that I could understand and more importantly implement has served me well
Whether these investment policies still have validity I leave to others -they have worked for me -so far-now aged 78
xxd09
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ben ski
Posted: 24 January 2025 19:21:35(UTC)
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Harry Trout;332112 wrote:

That is not attractive to me. The 80% version has an average return of 9% per annum with a range of 6% to 12% (in extremis) and this is more acceptable.


*Had, not has

10 years ago, you were buying bonds on terrible valuations. Today, stocks and bonds are priced about the same. So just on value, this is one of those periods when there might not be upside in taking more stock market risk.

2000 was an example – stocks had been driven up to 2% earning yields, while you could buy treasuries on 5-6%. For most the next decade, it made more sense to own bonds. But today's there's a big wild card in AI.

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andy mac
Posted: 24 January 2025 19:42:58(UTC)
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Hi Harry

Just a word of caution
I dont think Children ever become financially independent in many cases
There is always a house or car or business and then the grandchildren turnup
Just saying
Have a good weekend
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