RT7;332167 wrote:To Johan De Sliva
You asked "Is spread betting the same as shorting?"
(short) Answer, is no.
To add to what others have said, you can spread "bet" (clue is in the name !), and bet on something going up or down in value. To keep it simple for you, if you bet on shares going down - you buy a short, if you bet on shares going up, you buy long.
If you are holding long shares, you receive dividend when due/payable, if you are short, then you are liable for the dividend.
Some folk use Spread betting (long bets) after they have filled their ISA allowance for the year. Betting winnings are tax free.
what happens to the price of a spread bet if you have gone short a 5% dividend payer and you are short over the ex-dividend date? I am not 100% sure of the answer but I think the spreadbet then needs to 'manufacture' a dividend and so those who are long risk over the divided date receive cash and those short over dividend date are debited some cash - IF this does not happen I'd love to know why as it would seem there is an interesting dividend arbitrage here. Oh wait - I remember now - when we used to own equity positions in our fund we owned them via total return swaps - this meant we could avoid the UK tax treatment on the cash flows around dividend payment date (I think that's right - it has been along time). As total return swap - similar to a CFD - is not the same as a spread bet but again I am pretty sure that the economics of holding risk this way has to signifanctly match that of the underlying
if you are short via a spread bet and the listed shares fall 20% will the spread bet fall 20% or will the price do its own thing regardless of what the listed shares do?
From what I understand (and bearing in mind I am an idiot who doesnt understand how markets work) the intention behind a spread bet is to as far as possible match the economic outcomes of being long / short the actual underlying shares. The spread bet will need to take account of cost of funding, financing, dividend flows, rights issues, consolidations etc.
Further - I know there is a difference between a contract for difference (CFD - AKA equity swap) and a spread bet in terms of tax treatment versus a position in a listed equity.
So going 'short' via a spread bet is not the same as going short the equity - but it SHOULD roughly correspond / match the economics of shorting the underlying after taking account of the spread bet costs (bit/offer, financing etc). with a bet you only need to 'fund' the margin - you dont have to put up the full cost of the risk - but the spread bet firm will account for this in their charges etc they debit you for holing the positions.