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Robin B
Posted: 31 January 2025 13:43:13(UTC)
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Adelaide One;332749 wrote:
Reform aka The Brexit Party aka UKIP have a terrible track record. They proposed Brexit, which has been an unmitigated disaster:
- migration is up
- investors are shunning the UK
- relative drop in our GDP, causing government debt and tax rises
- fisheries were shafted (where was farrage's help for them after the vote?)
- increased red tape for business
- drop in trade with Europe, especially for small businesses
- etc etc
There are very few real benefits for the UK.


Putting the factual inaccuracies to one side, how are France and Germany better off..?

How have you been able to predict that things wouldn't be as bad or even worse had we remained in the innovation death zone, migrant camp, and economically declining EU? ... whilst also paying extortionate membership fees and for a massive trade deficit...

Perhaps you have super natural powers that enable you to perceive the highly unlikely visions you appear to be experiencing? Or maybe you're just talking a load of shite.
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Laurence O'Brien
Posted: 31 January 2025 13:52:30(UTC)
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Robert D;332756 wrote:
Adelaide One;332749 wrote:
Reform aka The Brexit Party aka UKIP have a terrible track record. They proposed Brexit, which has been an unmitigated disaster:
- migration is up
- investors are shunning the UK
- relative drop in our GDP, causing government debt and tax rises
- fisheries were shafted (where was farrage's help for them after the vote?)
- increased red tape for business
- drop in trade with Europe, especially for small businesses
- etc etc
There are very few real benefits for the UK.

Their defense is that "Brexit wasn't implemented properly", that shows a lack of planning, and an unwillingness to take responsibility. That isn't good enough.

They are nothing other than a protest vote.


They're a one-issue party - it begins with an i and ends in an n

They've no other policies - not even a plan to fix potholes. The idiots Farage and Lowe have even proposed a return to the gold standard - a guarantee to crash the UK economy and make the UK uninvestible

The Tufton Street mob will be exposed at the next election (assuming Farage is still around and hasn't gone off in a huff to the US) when the media spotlight exposes their prejudices and weaknesses. And without Farage, they are nothing.




One issue, my arse. Reform correctly identifies the biggest single issue confronting the country unlike the Uniparty which refuses to do any more than pay lip service to it. The voters have correctly identified it too except for the usual suspects and will no longer vote for the parties that fail to keep their promises. FWIW, here is a link to Reform's contract or Manifesto. Read it.

https://assets.nationbui..._with_You.pdf?1718625371
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 31 January 2025 13:52:39(UTC)
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Robert D;332756 wrote:


They're a one-issue party - it begins with an i and ends in an n



Seems Germany is leaping ahead with imminant legislation to cut asylum and family visa priveleges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq901dxjnzo

Also 'begins with an i and ends in an n'

In the EU. Following Sweden, Poland, Italy and others. All tightening.

Europe, it seems, has also had enough... No doubt that's somehow Farages/Trumps fault...
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Laurence O'Brien
Posted: 31 January 2025 14:04:13(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;332760 wrote:
Robert D;332756 wrote:


They're a one-issue party - it begins with an i and ends in an n



Seems Germany is leaping ahead with imminant legislation to cut asylum and family visa priveleges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq901dxjnzo

Also 'begins with an i and ends in an n'

In the EU. Following Sweden, Poland, Italy and others. All tightening.

Europe, it seems, has also had enough... No doubt that's somehow Farages/Trumps fault...


In summary a Parliament passes a resolution that says it will uphold one of its existing laws.
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Robert D
Posted: 31 January 2025 14:07:05(UTC)
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Laurence O'Brien;332759 wrote:


https://assets.nationbui..._with_You.pdf?1718625371



No mention of potholes!

Fail

On infrastructure Reform says it will be "pragmatic” (whatever that means), and “keep it secure from foreign threats” (presumably it won’t allow shariah law on the motorways).

And did you spot “tighter regulation” and “nationalise” in there......isn’t that all a bit communist and red tape and statist?

There was one thing I could support – proportional representation. The rest is rubbish.
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Laurence O'Brien
Posted: 31 January 2025 14:22:38(UTC)
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What’s your obsession with potholes? They are a matter for local authorities not the government.
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Neminem Laedit
Posted: 31 January 2025 17:22:48(UTC)
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Laurence O'Brien;332761 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;332760 wrote:
Robert D;332756 wrote:


They're a one-issue party - it begins with an i and ends in an n



Seems Germany is leaping ahead with imminant legislation to cut asylum and family visa priveleges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ceq901dxjnzo

Also 'begins with an i and ends in an n'

In the EU. Following Sweden, Poland, Italy and others. All tightening.

Europe, it seems, has also had enough... No doubt that's somehow Farages/Trumps fault...


In summary a Parliament passes a resolution that says it will uphold one of its existing laws.


Immigration bill narrowly lost..
https://www.theguardian....ion-latest-updates-news

The Uniparty/Blob strikes again.
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Jay P on 31/01/2025(UTC)
Jay P
Posted: 31 January 2025 17:47:09(UTC)
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Laurence O'Brien;332764 wrote:
What’s your obsession with potholes? They are a matter for local authorities not the government.

What?! Dangerous, subversive and entirely selfish wrong think there, citizen.
Everything, every single aspect of your life, is a matter for a Socialist government and the Comrades.

Beware. Every forum has its own ever watchful dezhurnaya, ready to pounce on such dangerous anarchy. Fortunately, ours is so very easy to spot. (Don't tell him though).
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AlanP2
Posted: 31 January 2025 19:07:23(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;332742 wrote:
AlanP2;332734 wrote:
If Reform ever do become the party in government in this country then it will be an unmitigated disaster in my opinion.

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How would you rate the current and preceeding governments on the 'disaster' scale...?

Bob Brook;332739 wrote:
Reform are peaking quite early, a very long way to go yet. It will all depend if these growth plans work or not, we could be at peak Labour pessimism right now.


I think they are just getting going...




The Tory governments before the last election absolutely awful.

The current Labour government - far too early to tell with any degree of accuracy or certainty.
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Robert D
Posted: 31 January 2025 19:29:59(UTC)
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Laurence O'Brien;332764 wrote:
What’s your obsession with potholes? They are a matter for local authorities not the government.



........ because they are symbol of national failure to maintain and invest in infrastructure? The cost of repairing all the potholes is estimated at about £10-15 billion because of the uselessness of the previous government.

If Reform can't be trusted at least to mend potholes, how could it be trusted with the NHS, or social care or schools?

The UK stockmarket is continuing to hit record highs by the way, signalling an economic upturn ahead and better times ahead hopefully for the country?

One has to assume you welcome this, or does it not suit your political agenda? .
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