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Thoughts on Whole of Life policy to cover IHT?
John Gilmore
Posted: 03 March 2025 07:01:37(UTC)
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My father is a healthy 80 year old widower - my mother passed 8 years ago, and my father inherited everything including a a part used SIPP valued at £600k. He has an estate value which is significantly over the £1M nil rate band and will face an inheritance tax bill approaching £300k on death after April 2027 (ie. the SIPP tax change when they become part of your estate). Of course there may be some care home costs to come, but with his current expenditure levels (he has state and other widows pensions approximating £30k per year) he is unlikely to make much of a dip in things. I suspect his estate will continue to grow (ISAs and SIPPs invested) before he dies and the inheritance tax bill will continue to go up.

My father seems convinced (fixated now almost) in taking out a whole of life policy that he has been accepted for - its has been recommended by his financial advisor to cover his potential IHT liability - this FA currently looks after all of his invested cash. The WOL policy will cover him on a guaranteed premium basis paying out £300k on death into trust.

I am nervous about the recommendation by the FA, partly because I just thoroughly disagree with WOL policies generally - why insure against IHT when you can tackle it a source by gifting/spending or things like Business Property Relief investments etc etc. My father has said that he does not wish to gift anything out of his estate. I have tried to show him the benefits of surplus income gifting from his SIPP, but he wishes to take the advice of his FA. Note the WOL has not yet been started, he is considering and thinking through things further in the next few weeks, with my sister and I.

I am slightly frustrated with the FA as they have a conflict of interest and clearly are biased in my view towards a WOL policy - they will gain a significant commission payment if the policy is started. And things like gifting and spending will only lower their current income levels in managing his investments, so why would they recommend them?

What do people think of WOLs to cover IHT liability? - if my father lives for a further 10 years, which I think he is highly likely to do, we will lose out in terms of total premiums paid in exceeding the policy pay-out. Of course if he dies within the next 5 years it will be a good decision, but I think my father will live a longer and healthy life for a long time yet.

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Posted: 03 March 2025 07:57:48(UTC)
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John Gilmore;336295 wrote:
My father is a healthy 80 year old widower - my mother passed 8 years ago, and my father inherited everything including a a part used SIPP valued at £600k. He has an estate value which is significantly over the £1M nil rate band and will face an inheritance tax bill approaching £300k on death after April 2027 (ie. the SIPP tax change when they become part of your estate). Of course there may be some care home costs to come, but with his current expenditure levels (he has state and other widows pensions approximating £30k per year) he is unlikely to make much of a dip in things. I suspect his estate will continue to grow (ISAs and SIPPs invested) before he dies and the inheritance tax bill will continue to go up.

My father seems convinced (fixated now almost) in taking out a whole of life policy that he has been accepted for - its has been recommended by his financial advisor to cover his potential IHT liability - this FA currently looks after all of his invested cash. The WOL policy will cover him on a guaranteed premium basis paying out £300k on death into trust.

I am nervous about the recommendation by the FA, partly because I just thoroughly disagree with WOL policies generally - why insure against IHT when you can tackle it a source by gifting/spending or things like Business Property Relief investments etc etc. My father has said that he does not wish to gift anything out of his estate. I have tried to show him the benefits of surplus income gifting from his SIPP, but he wishes to take the advice of his FA. Note the WOL has not yet been started, he is considering and thinking through things further in the next few weeks, with my sister and I.

I am slightly frustrated with the FA as they have a conflict of interest and clearly are biased in my view towards a WOL policy - they will gain a significant commission payment if the policy is started. And things like gifting and spending will only lower their current income levels in managing his investments, so why would they recommend them?

What do people think of WOLs to cover IHT liability? - if my father lives for a further 10 years, which I think he is highly likely to do, we will lose out in terms of total premiums paid in exceeding the policy pay-out. Of course if he dies within the next 5 years it will be a good decision, but I think my father will live a longer and healthy life for a long time yet.



You are right to be suspicious.

I am not an IFA but I struggle with what is effectively a big gamble on staying alive.

having to deal with the "olds" the intellectual flexibility diminishes and the degree of absolute certainty increaseswith years.

My suggestion would be to get another IFA review on a straight fee basis. Someone who gets no benefit from the decisions taken.

"Gifting" away your money when you have spent 80 years getting it can be an intellectual challenge. I have this issue with my Mum..."what if I need the money?" My Mum is 97.

I have a friend who has been supporting an IFAs family for years through his SJP fees. Almost a parasite living off someone elses good planning. I really dont like any relationship where your advisor is financially dependent on you buying a specific product. The conflict of interest is obvious.

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Stephen B.
Posted: 03 March 2025 14:30:16(UTC)
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One observation, you say that you don't think care home costs would be a significant hit. That's true in most cases but not always, some people do spend many years in a care home and it can cost getting on for £100k a year, so money can evaporate very quickly! Of course, the government is supposed to be bringing forward proposals to cap the costs - but so did previous governments ...

On the main question, I'm not really sure what the point of the WOL insurance is supposed to be vs just paying the IHT from the estate - even if there's a disinclination to pay tax this path still involves paying it, just via what may turn out to be a very expensive insurance policy.
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Jay P on 03/03/2025(UTC)
Julianw
Posted: 03 March 2025 14:51:33(UTC)
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Simplest IHT planning is to give it away. If your father is reluctant: that is the primary problem! Try to overcome his objection objectively.

Whole if life policy transfer the IHT liability beneficiary from the government to the financial industry (financial advisor/insurance company) You will not be better of.

All things been equal, I rather transfer my wealth to the government than the financial industry. After all the tax do go to somethings I support no matter how inefficiently.

D Bergman
Posted: 03 March 2025 14:58:58(UTC)
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I have been looking at term insurance policies to cover gifts which rank as Potentially Exempt Transfers (PETs). I gifted £300K to my son in September 2024, and am 75 years old. The potential IHT on this gift would be £120K.

Whole of Life policies are very expensive (as they are life assurance policies) as opposed to term insurance: a 7-year term insurance I have looked into with L & G is £152 per month for a guaranteed sum of £120K, so, that works out at about 10% of the sum insured.
Not cheap, but much more reasonable than a WoL policy.

If your father is insistent on going the life insurance route, perhaps you can convince him to take a term insurance?
£300K insurance for an 80 year old should be about £450 - £460 per month, and doing that might calm his nerves about IHT.
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Jay P on 03/03/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 03 March 2025 15:02:55(UTC)
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Whilst I can understand the sentiment and frustration along with the fact that I agree with most of the points, there are a few issues I would like to comment on.

Firstly you need to accept that fact that your father is actually thinking out for you, if he is willing to to take out a policy for £300k. He could very well do nothing whatever you inherit is that. If he is compos-mentis, then it is his business and his alone - you may have feelings but no rights (note I am not on the side of the IFA but in line with your heading 'thoughts' from an independent point of view).

- Gifting - as MarkSP points out getting an elderly individual to see that aspect is extremely difficult. There is always 'what if I need it' or "I may need it for care costs'. By expecting gifts when the owner does not want to consider it can be seen as a form of coercion. Are you being greedy.

- Business Property Releif and AIM etc - we have seen what is happening with them, what if they get wiped completely ? You also have to consider the risk element of those. You mention IFA commission, have you seen the charges on those IHT plans (would not be too far from the WOL commission over the term I would imagine). Then we swing back to the "what if I need the monies" - and if he does sure you can get it, but if all is gone then there is no inheritance for you (a reason why he is taking the policy for you)

As for WOL - they will never cover the full IHT unless you over insure but, I have a neighbour who had put £1m in BPR, £500k in AIM, has £2m Portfolio £1m house. They do not want gift anymore. So a pretty big IHT bill made worse now that the BPR and AIM only provides 50% cover.

However what they do have is a £1m WOL taken out in the 90's with Sun Alliance and the investment returns within the policy has been paying for the premiums. - Are the benficiaries better off with the policy or without it.

Playing devils advocate - if your father did survive 10 years and paid more premiums than the £300k, what is your real issue, the fact that you did not get those monies, if so lets say he goes into a home, and spends it all, are you better off with teh £300k or without it.

I do not mean to offend - just observations and thoughts as asked for.

Best thing to so spend it.
John Gilmore
Posted: 05 March 2025 01:52:02(UTC)
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Thank you - some interesting food for thought.

Whichever way I think this through - its my father's decision - I certainly dont want to come across as coercive. Its just frustrating that he really doesnt understand things, and thinks that the FA speaks gospel, and must be 100% correct. I am trying to convince on getting a second opinion with someone completely independent. Independent advice is so crucial...

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D Bergman on 05/03/2025(UTC)
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Posted: 05 March 2025 19:58:05(UTC)
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Reported in the Daily Telegraph today, according to Nigel Farage if Reform win the next General Election he would scrap inheritance tax.
Just another potential scenario to take into consideration.
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Neminem Laedit on 05/03/2025(UTC)
SSJ
Posted: 05 March 2025 20:22:25(UTC)
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John Gilmore;336295 wrote:
What do people think of WOLs to cover IHT liability?

I can see the point of what D Bergman is doing (i.e. protect the beneficiary from receiving a large bill out of the blue) but the situation you are describing seems to be just a bit of compo for you (i.e. to simply make up for what HMRC will take from the estate). It's not as if the WOL payout can be used as a liquid asset within the estate to actually pay IHT and thereby accelerate probate (correct me if I'm wrong).
It just sounds like a bet on how long he lives, in which case the insured amount can be anything you want.
What am I missing?!
Milo Don
Posted: 06 March 2025 15:51:25(UTC)
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As long as the WoL policy is written into trust, it will absolutely be available to pay the IHT liability. This is why IFAs often recommend them.
You do not need probate before receiving the payout from the WoL policy. In this sense they are very useful, particularly if the principal asset in the estate is a property and there are not sufficient funds that can be used via HMRC's Direct Payment Scheme.

Care must be exercised when signing up for a WoL policy though - some have increasing premiums that end up being eye-watering. A Low Cost WoL with fixed premiums may be suitable in some cases, but they used to be 'with profit' type funds where the payout is at the mercy of the willingness of the manager to award bonuses to the policyholder. I don't know if that is still the case.

My parents had such a policy. The IFA said the expected terminal amount would be c. £200k but in fact it was closer to £110k. The guaranteed payout was c. £35k - after £45k contributions over 30 years! - and I imagine we would have been better off just investing the money and paying a greater IHT bill. (But I didn't know about the Direct Payment Scheme then, so I would have been snookered without the WoL policy.)
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SSJ on 10/03/2025(UTC)
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