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Thrugelmir
Posted: 10 March 2025 13:28:10(UTC)
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Robert D;337076 wrote:

The markets are too globalist, socialist, woke and DEI ridden to understand the most beautiful bestest bigliest economic strategy ever seen.



The trajectory of US fiscal deficits was unsustainable. Long been a talking point. There's been a paradigm shift. New world. New rules.
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 10 March 2025 14:14:40(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;337083 wrote:
Robert D;337076 wrote:

The markets are too globalist, socialist, woke and DEI ridden to understand the most beautiful bestest bigliest economic strategy ever seen.



The trajectory of US fiscal deficits was unsustainable. Long been a talking point. There's been a paradigm shift. New world. New rules.


Unsustainable indeed, but...

Do you think that crashing the US economy, bombing the dollar, tearing up long standing trade agreements and writing off exports of defence products to allies is going to make those US deficits better or worse...?

Seriously?
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North Star on 10/03/2025(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 11 March 2025 12:50:35(UTC)
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When in a hole, stop digging...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjdg4x08ylo

In other tweets Trump declares that boycotting Tesla is illegal...😂😂😂
Thrugelmir
Posted: 11 March 2025 13:11:00(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;337088 wrote:
Thrugelmir;337083 wrote:
Robert D;337076 wrote:

The markets are too globalist, socialist, woke and DEI ridden to understand the most beautiful bestest bigliest economic strategy ever seen.



The trajectory of US fiscal deficits was unsustainable. Long been a talking point. There's been a paradigm shift. New world. New rules.


Unsustainable indeed, but...

Do you think that crashing the US economy, bombing the dollar, tearing up long standing trade agreements and writing off exports of defence products to allies is going to make those US deficits better or worse...?

Seriously?


Economy or stock market?

Weaker $ is beneficial to US domestic companies.

Proven to be of little benefit to the US. In a global world easy to circumnavigate.

The US helps other nations by buying and supplying through US defence companies. The money spent is borrowed.
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 11 March 2025 13:17:49(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;337245 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;337088 wrote:
Thrugelmir;337083 wrote:
Robert D;337076 wrote:

The markets are too globalist, socialist, woke and DEI ridden to understand the most beautiful bestest bigliest economic strategy ever seen.



The trajectory of US fiscal deficits was unsustainable. Long been a talking point. There's been a paradigm shift. New world. New rules.


Unsustainable indeed, but...

Do you think that crashing the US economy, bombing the dollar, tearing up long standing trade agreements and writing off exports of defence products to allies is going to make those US deficits better or worse...?

Seriously?


Economy or stock market?

FIscal deficit

Weaker $ is beneficial to US domestic companies.

Yes, but also fuels inflation. And doesn't help US Companies relying on imported materials (like 'rare earths' when they have 25% slapped on top.

But also doesn't help if the world has decided not to buy from you, as Tesla are finding out


Proven to be of little benefit to the US. In a global world easy to circumnavigate.

The US helps other nations by buying and supplying through US defence companies. The money spent is borrowed.


You know things are bad when Trump is appealing to "Republicans and Conservatives" to buy Tesla cars when they absolutely hate on EV's and Trumps own policies are to abandon green measures that propped them up.

My bowl of popcorn is emptying fast.
Special Kloud
Posted: 11 March 2025 13:24:42(UTC)
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I think alot of investors on this forum who are unhedged are finding not just the index tanking unerving but the administration is openly looking to devalue the dollar. So we have both pressure points. Also, they are finding out that anything Trump does, the markets are likely to react negatively going forward. So many more years of this?

Can't blame some for just selling out. However, I myself, think it's a bit too late to be redeploying at least large amounts & certainly not taking the whiplash back into cash. Is this storm in a teacup or a tectonic policy shift for the next 4 years?

There is a level of irony though to selling **passives** in a hurry to time yourself back in later.

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Johan De Silva
Posted: 11 March 2025 13:32:06(UTC)
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Special Kloud;337249 wrote:
I think alot of investors on this forum who are unhedged are finding not just the index tanking unerving but the administration is openly looking to devalue the dollar. So we have both pressure points. Also, they are finding out that anything Trump does, the markets are likely to react negatively going forward. So many more years of this?

Can't blame some for just selling out. However, I myself, think it's a bit too late to be redeploying at least large amounts & certainly not taking the whiplash back into cash. Is this storm in a teacup or a tectonic policy shift for the next 4 years?

There is a level of irony though to selling **passives** in a hurry to time yourself back in later.


Are they looking for this? I thought Money is simply flowing internationally putting pressure on the dollar.
Keith Cobby
Posted: 11 March 2025 14:44:13(UTC)
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Everyone knows that Trump is a maverick, he's putting America first and trying to reduce deficits and the increasing national debt. He is using tariffs as a negotiating tool, everyone knows that they are bad for trade and wealth creation (with the exception of those targeted to prevent dumping etc). Trump is breaking things as expected, but it is very unlikely his aim is to damage Americans wealth, particularly in the runup to 2026. Growth stocks are taking a hammering but once things settle down, there should be a recovery.

Not sure what the fascination is for Musk to become an arm of government. Certainly, DOGE is doing good work (we need something like that here), but he can't have any political aspirations and all he is doing is damaging his business interests. Tesla is on the slide and SpaceX has had two consecutive Starship failures, he needs to refocus.
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 11 March 2025 15:54:57(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;337257 wrote:
Everyone knows that Trump is a maverick, he's putting America first and trying to reduce deficits and the increasing national debt. He is using tariffs as a negotiating tool, everyone knows that they are bad for trade and wealth creation (with the exception of those targeted to prevent dumping etc). Trump is breaking things as expected, but it is very unlikely his aim is to damage Americans wealth, particularly in the runup to 2026. Growth stocks are taking a hammering but once things settle down, there should be a recovery.

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I don't actually think his aim is destruction of American wealth, any more than it was Liz Truss's aim to crash the UK markets.

But, nonetheless, that is what she did and that is what he is doing.

Because the policies being enacted are doing generational damage to US foreign relations with it's closest trading partners.

A parallel is Europeans buying Russian Gas. Even if there is an end to the war, Europe is never going to allow itself to be dependent again on Russia as a source. That ship has left.

Similarly Canadians are not going to ever go back to American supply chains for their automotive components to whisky to Tesla cars. The damage is done and the trust, built over decades, has gone in a couple of weeks. Threats to Canadian sovereignty just add to the toxic atmosphere.

I see that Canada is now passing legislation to tax American trucks driving back and forth to Alaska on the Alaska Highway.

How can America ever benefit short or long term from such beligerent behaviour? The answer is an arrogant self belief that somehow everybody needs them. The reality is nobody does. Other than for oil.

Their high tech products aren't made in America. Everything from EV Batteries to Apple Phones are farmed out to China. Their cars and lorries are antiquated crap that no one wants. Their military kit is overpriced and over complex and better replaced by larger quantities of lower specification kit.

Manufacturers will not relocate to America for four years until the presidency changes and tariffs go back to more normality. This is a myth for Trump. Instead, the world will simply focus on other markets and build new markets and supply chains to avoid America, which has become uninvestable for new money ATM.

He is using tariffs as a negotiating tool

No he isn't, because no one is negotiating. There are no talks going on. There are no demands being made. The Fentynol thing is just a red herring. Trump doesn't want the tariffs to drop. Because the purpose of them is to reshore manufacturing. And that isn't going to work.
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Robert D
Posted: 11 March 2025 16:44:27(UTC)
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"I cause the best market dumps. Some people are saying I’m the best at it, ever, that’s what they’re telling me. No one has ever caused market dumps better than me. Sleepy Joe could never cause market dumps like me"

Donald Trump today
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