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OmegaMale
Posted: 20 March 2025 17:42:46(UTC)

Joined: 02/07/2020(UTC)
Posts: 546

Big boy;338206 wrote:


I do however predict April 2nd will follow April 1st....


I think you'll find that April 2nd is in fact 364 days before April 1st

OM
Harry Gloom
Posted: 20 March 2025 18:19:27(UTC)

Joined: 01/12/2022(UTC)
Posts: 400

Tom 123;338200 wrote:


World value is outperforming the world index since the end of the 2021 cycle.

Look at the 1970s sideways regression after the Nifty Fifty boom:

https://www.nasdaq.com/a...ad-map-of-how-to-profit

I aint going all in on a 'all cap' approach when in 2021 we ended up the cycle in a similar vein.

I see 2022 to 2024 as another 1966-69.

I count 2021 as the end of the cycle on a P/E or CAPE basis. end of 2021 it hot circa 35x-40x. That's end of cycle levels in my view, certainly based on history.

Going on P/E today (more generous than CAPE). The S&P 500 is on 26.5x. The Nasdaq Composite 40x according to goggle AI overview. Still widely too expensive. Perhaps a short term bounce and then another leg down. All sideways as valuations regress.

Take the value indexes today, similar performance at much less valuation risk. The growth indexes need earnings growth. That simply is not high enough today to support P/Es. PEGs are simply too high.


In this chart, in all previous honey sucking bears or whatever you like to call call them, the highs at the end of the bull run have not been exceeded but the 2021 peak has been smashed through.

Also, black swan events feature during the bear markets, it's not solely been price regression.

The chart does suggest we are in the eleventh hour of this current run though...which is why, as a recent retiree, I am protecting against early retirement SORR as best as I can short of annuitising

lolly
Tom 123
Posted: 20 March 2025 19:05:35(UTC)

Joined: 13/09/2016(UTC)
Posts: 1,620

Harry Gloom;338210 wrote:


In this chart, in all previous honey sucking bears or whatever you like to call call them, the highs at the end of the bull run have not been exceeded but the 2021 peak has been smashed through.

lolly


I get your point.

However, explain 1972:

https://www.nasdaq.com/a...ad-map-of-how-to-profit

Time will tell.

There's little to zero chance of a multi year bull run from here. The only possibility is a massive increase in earnings growth. Not seeing it. In fact this would appear to be slowing.

High multiples and low earnings growth is not a good starting pint for a sustained multi year bull run.
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