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Zero dividend preference shares - a safe home for spare capital?
Larry Handle
Posted: 16 November 2010 08:05:18(UTC)
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I have been looking for a reasonably safe home for some spare capital and considered zero dividend preference shares. Precious little has been written about them recently (apart from a piece in the IC which I can't access).

I have looked at the data on splitsonline.co.uk, which is good but quite technical. What is not clear to me is the cover on these shares. I understand they have a fixed entitlement to be paid first (after paying prior charges like bank debt). What I don't know is whether, each year as their entitlement increases, there is a notional transfer of assets made from the gross pool of assets of the trust, over to the zeros. This would make them safer than the spot figures suggest.

The Mail has an article saying it is unlikely that zeros will fail to pay out in full. But looking at the splitsonline information, some splits seem to need an increase in value of the assets to pay out their full entitlement and others require a fall in assets of say 10 percent to jeopardise it, that is not much in these volatile markets.

The zeros which appear to be very generously covered by assets are those issued by investment trusts in private equity. But perhaps the market does not accept the valuation of these underlying assets and therefore the real level of cover is illusory. There is an M&G zero expiring in March next year with a gross redemption yield of 45%. But is this because the market thinks it will not pay out in full?
Roger Hutton
Posted: 16 November 2010 14:55:35(UTC)
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Joined: 01/08/2010(UTC)
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Further to the comment above, note that the expected return on the non-private equity trusts is not very high. As for the PE trusts be very careful - eg the date on the 2010 zeros in Aberdeen Development has been moved out to 2012 via an EGM vote so dates are not set in stone. As for the asset values, your comments are well founded.
I think the good old days of zeros are long gone.
Perhaps an alternative might be one of the utility companies ? Pennon, United Utilities...? Safe but obviously variable prices.
masud butt
Posted: 16 November 2010 22:27:51(UTC)
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Joined: 10/07/2010(UTC)
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Never trust any ZERO SHARES. I lost 99.9% of my money when investment trusts manuipalated between themself [ buying & selling] I invested with Aberdeen IT. I was compensated some money back, when Investment trusts tricks were highlighted & were caught. I agree with Roger, stick with utility cos, & bluechips with good dividends. MAC
ynys
Posted: 16 November 2010 22:28:53(UTC)
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Joined: 21/10/2010(UTC)
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Practical considerations, unless funds are large/popular
expenses/spreads are likely to be higher, eating into u'r returns
Anyone know of a large, popular, low cost zeros fund?
huudi
Posted: 17 November 2010 14:46:59(UTC)
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Joined: 11/06/2010(UTC)
Posts: 266

Larry it is wise to look at the underlying investments of the fund, the M & G fund you mention is, I believe in more risky stocks, the M & G website would tell you more, a fund of blue chips is safer but returns will be less. The share you mention is around 89p and due to wind-up in march at 100p, how they get 45% I dont know.
Most funds use the money in zeros as gearing and this is why they dont usually pass money to the zero fund until wind-up date, however not all funds have a wind-up date.
One other thing to consider is the bank base rate, a zero paying 5% now seems good but if base rates rise the your share will be worth less. If you think this is likely then buy one with a short date, most splits start with an end date of 5-10yrs. Hope this helps, you may find the 'Trustnet' website useful.
chazza
Posted: 17 November 2010 17:33:25(UTC)
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On the principle that I should not buy what I do not understand, I have avoided ZDPs with one exception: F&C Private Equity ZDP (FPEZ), which is easy to understand and is well-underpinned ( the hurdel is -24.00%) by F&C Private Equity trust which, because it is principally a fund of funds, does not seem especially risky on present valuation and given present economic circumstances and oulook. FPEZ is up 21% in a year, the prospective return is 5.40% p.a., so looking OK for a while yet.
huudi
Posted: 17 November 2010 21:51:28(UTC)
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Chazza, when masud lost his money in zeros, it was because every fund had shares in each other and when it came to light, it was clear that very few genuine equitys were owned by any of them, ie: they were ALL 'funds of funds'. In fact this is similar to the cause of the present disasterous situation. As I said, look at the underlying equity to ensure they have something substantial.
Larry Handle
Posted: 23 November 2010 15:19:26(UTC)
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Joined: 09/11/2010(UTC)
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Thank you for these replies. Re the MandG fund the redemption rate must reflect the growth from 89p to 100p in a relatively short period of time. I know about the fund of zeros but agree this was the days of the magic circle split caps all investing in each other.

The private equity zero sounds interesting but i am cautious of private equity valuations, remembering how much Candover had to write down its portfolio recently.

The bottom line appears to be that while zeros are more tax efficient, providing capital rather than income, the rate they pay is not significantly more than tying your money up risk free in a bank for five years. Plus you have the added risk of the zero not paying out in full. I like to look at investments on a risk reward basis and I don't think in the case of zeros the reward is big enough to take the risk.

Many thanks once again. Larry
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