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Politics and Economics-2017 Election
Prof Eman
Posted: 29 May 2017 19:07:27(UTC)
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xcity
The coalition. The nationalisation of the banks was a one off, and you rightly point out the same problems existed throughout the developed world, rather than just blame Labour.
Conservatives and Brexit. The referendum was seen by many as an attempt to settle differences of opinion within the conservative ranks on EU. The conservative leader was for remain but many of his senior colleagues were against him and for Brexit. Hardly what I would term as a strong policy to remain, especially as they were permitted to campaign for Brexit.
Prof Eman
Posted: 29 May 2017 22:31:19(UTC)
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Watched the Q & A to-night May/Corbyn.
Any views on it anyone?
Prof Eman
Posted: 30 May 2017 15:40:03(UTC)
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Martina
With millions of transactions occurring every day since Brexit no-one knows exactly how the foreign ownership structures have altered. Suffice to say if you are considering an investment and it suddenly becomes cheaper by 15%, you are likely to buy it. This goes for all asset classes.
including property. So rest assured foreign ownership has happened.
As regards impact on jobs it is the immigration aspect of Brexit that is particularly worrying. Study after study suggests the unemployment will increase, even double, partially due to work being farmed out abroad, probably EU, because of lower immigration.
King Lodos
Posted: 30 May 2017 20:16:58(UTC)
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Many expect the effects of automation and AI to eclipse the effects of immigration on jobs in upcoming years.

There must be a bell-curve in all this, where immigration simply creates more jobless people who are going to need supporting by the state, with the increasing social problems that's likely to bring with it.

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Prof Eman
Posted: 31 May 2017 07:14:14(UTC)
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So why aggravate the employment situation with Brexit?
Prof Eman
Posted: 31 May 2017 14:36:37(UTC)
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My students have now decided to hold a debate-
What does NHS stand for?
National Health Service under labour/Corbyn OR NO Health service under conservatives/May?
I would be grateful for any contributions on the subject.
Guest
Posted: 31 May 2017 17:21:46(UTC)
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I can remember back around 2000 or thereabouts (Labour Govt) a work colleague complaining that her family where unable to get a local hospital bed, they were told that 'tourists' were taking up the space. Their daughter had to go several miles away to another district Perhaps your students can think about the effect of health tourism and the inability of this Country to effectively for treatment.

Three years ago (Coalition Govt) my doctor complained to me about the number of health tourists coming into the practice demanding treatment, they were often the grandparent or other family relative that had travelled from Pakistan or India on the pretext of visiting a family member working in the UK, usually in IT for a major bank.

The Doc was very peeved that due to the way costs are worked out, he was forced to refer them to hospital for treatment such as heart stents or other such operations that were urgently needed. His gripe was that the treatment costs came out of his budget and he had been forced to scale back on treatment for local patients.

It's a complicated subject. Starting the debate off by immediately blaming one political party seems a nonsense.
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King Lodos
Posted: 31 May 2017 17:32:51(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47365 wrote:
So why aggravate the employment situation with Brexit?


I think Brexit's about ensuring we still have a society we recognise once the dust's settled.

Europe's approach to migration is radically altering the continent – and I think many are concerned it's driven by globalist ideology that has little concern for social repercussions .. Zizek described Macron's victory as: the light at the end of the tunnel being an oncoming train – it was that brand of politics, along with the migrant crisis, that created the likes of Le Pen.

It's interesting how much more carefully Asian countries handle migration .. Japan has much bigger problems with its ageing population, but still sees birthrates as the problem, and migration as a double-edged sword, while China are laughing at the problems Europe's creating for itself ('Baizuo' (white left) is a regularly used insult on Chinese forums).

There's also a class issue that gets obscured in the statistics.

I never understood anti-Polish and E.European sentiment .. These are people who share our values (perhaps uphold them better than most of us do), learn the language, work hard .. I never understood how anyone saw them as a problem, until I walked past a job centre advertising jobs in Polish .. This is families, generations and estates being left on the scrapheap, and they know it.
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Prof Eman
Posted: 31 May 2017 19:02:45(UTC)
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Mickey at #39
Health tourism-There is no real evidence of health tourism from the EU. EU has repeatedly asked the UK for evidence and this has not been provided.
There might be a health tourism problem from the likes of Pakistan/India but this would have its roots in past colonies/commonwealth. These fall outside the EU and can be controlled by the UK.
Nothing to do with the EU.
Your final paragraph, the subject is up for debate, it is in no way a conclusion to one.
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Ivor Grouse
Posted: 31 May 2017 21:40:24(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47373 wrote:
My students have now decided to hold a debate-
What does NHS stand for?
National Health Service under labour/Corbyn OR NO Health service under conservatives/May?
I would be grateful for any contributions on the subject.



Perhaps you should widen your students education a little by giving them some facts before their debate.
For example the last Labour goverment managed to change the culture of the NHS to focus more on form filling and quota counting rather than patient care. As a result when Labour left power serious questions were asked as to whether the health service was any longer fit for purpose. Indeed many patients were sadly found to have suffered some fatally due to lack of simple basic patient care under Labour's tenure.

Perhaps that is why many voters feel the NHS and not just the economy are in better hands with the Conservatives.
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jvl on 01/06/2017(UTC)
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