King Lodos at #37, last paragraph. the anti Polish/East European sentiment.
Run this past my students and here are some of the points made.
Indeed they learn the language, work hard, contribute to GDP, pay more taxes than UK personnel, claim less benefits. I know of one Polish immigrant student who now has a Masters.
He also pointed out something I was not aware of.
He advised that doctors from Poland hold regular surgeries in Manchester, based on many specialisms, for Polish immigrants who very often have follow up treatment/operations in Poland. This is their alternative to private medicine in the UK. Effectively what that means is they use the NHS much less than Brits, thereby reducing demands on it.
Also it has been pointed out to me that there are jobs that the Brits will not go anywhere near to, and these are the ones which attract Polish immigrant labour, hence the job adverts in Polish, like for example in the food industry. Would you like to work ripping up chickens or turkeys all day long?

KL, you are straying into the arena of bull again. I don't know why you do this as it taints the rest of your posts.

My Eastern European friends were in a rut earning low wages, sending money home and living in squalor. They could never get on the housing ladder back home.

The Pakistani comparison is simply a numeric one. Money does not work like that and you know it. The difference between £1100 and £11000 is no where near that of £26000 and £260000.

Mostly Agree with your last point

Immigration is one of those neoliberal ideas like deregulation that sounds OK as a top-down economic model but fails in practice when it is taken too far. Excessive deregulation led to the global financial crisis and excessive immigration has led to this global political crisis.

When things go wrong there are only two explanations: the cock-up theory and the conspiracy theory. It's always best to start by assuming the conspiracy theory and I think that's the case with deregulation and immigration.

Charlie Monger's saying is 'show me the incentive, I'll show you the outcome'. The incentive has been for the political and financial elites to get rich from excessive immigration through keeping down wages and pumping up property prices. The outcomes aren't an unfortunate side-effect of excessive immigration; they are the objective.

Surely a very short period of downward house prices (3 months), a fall in immigration which is still at historically high levels and 'realities unravelling' are not very good reasons to conclude Brexit and immigration policies are taking us the wrong way.

I've always instinctively liked the Poles too (must be linked to growing up on WW2 movies and playing 'Escape from Colditz' - they were on our side). I'm not as concerned about them as other groups of immigrants.

However, even though I'm not (I think!) on the scrapheap, I have noticed simply from walking around and picking up my kids from nursery that I seem to be in a minority for having an English accent. The majority of parents picking up their kids are East European. Some are grandmothers picking up their grand-kids.

I also note that it's a lot harder to park the car on the street with more houses being converted to multiple occupancy - most with East European occupants - so having more cars per house.

There's surely a cold calculation to be made: if someone's paying Y in tax, how much are they taking in total benefits, including health and education services for their extended families? How many of their children are monolingual and could hold back other children at school or demand further resources? (To be fair, the East Europeans speak English well and so do their kids but the nearest primary school to me is starting to get a number of starters that don't. As a parent, that starts to bother me)

Is there another loss if they go, from employers or customers, having to source more expensive labour? Etc. It's a complicated calculation!