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Politics and Economics-2017 Election
Richard Lambert
Posted: 05 June 2017 14:07:44(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47629 wrote:
jvi
I would not belittle the students. Just because they do not fit your role model, they do not automatically become left wing. They are of above average intelligence, possibly higher than yours.

In my experience, being above average intelligence doesn't automatically equate to above average common sense. In fact the opposite is quite often true.
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Posted: 05 June 2017 15:24:41(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47629 wrote:
jvi
I would not belittle the students. Just because they do not fit your role model, they do not automatically become left wing. They are of above average intelligence, possibly higher than yours.


From the questions you say they've asked, I doubt it. Perhaps the more intelligent ones stay quiet or you don't chronicle what they say?

But, according to what you've written, they've said nothing that could be construed as right of centre whereas they've displayed a lot of left-leaning sentiment.

E.g.
Quote:
"My students have now decided to hold a debate-
What does NHS stand for?
National Health Service under labour/Corbyn OR NO Health service under conservatives/May?
I would be grateful for any contributions on the subject."


I've glanced back 5 pages, starting with "selling the family silver" (another old leftie chestnut). There's been nothing from your students or you that's been anything but left of centre. There are logical conclusions to draw here.

Let's not kid ourselves. If you were to the right, you'd have been able to think of ready answers instead of asking here.
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Prof Eman
Posted: 05 June 2017 17:10:02(UTC)
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jvi
The family silver was voiced by Mac, (not a great leftie). I hope you remember him.
I have not chronicled everything that has been said, but raised issues which in my opinion were more difficult to answer, allowing free discussion without lecturing the students on right of centre views.
People like you do that, but can I say you have not provided a lot of factual data to support some of them. Beliefs rather than facts.
Micawber
Posted: 05 June 2017 17:21:42(UTC)
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It's right and natural that the young and intelligent should be idealistic and tending to favour social and liberal ideals. I'd be worried if they weren't.

There's few more obnoxious than a 19 year old Toryboy or Hooray Henry, Perhaps the bloodthirsty revolutionary is as bad.

It's also the case that at that age they have not much to lose, and perhaps more to gain, from the left (e.g. free student education, etc etc.)

It's also right and natural that those with more experience in the world are more sceptical both of ideological left and ideological right. And those who have built up assets tend to be more conservative (in the fullest sense).

I'm not telling you anything you don't know already. So I'm surprised there is even discussion about it.
King Lodos
Posted: 05 June 2017 17:27:54(UTC)
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jvl;47616 wrote:
Is anyone else thinking that Prof Eman's students seem to ask a lot of silly left-wing questions of the type that anyone could answer given a calm moment of thought? Why is the world round? Why are things not always completely fair? Etc.

How old are these students? 13, 14? Studying at the Apocryphal University, I hope...


A million variations on this old saying:
"A man who has not been a socialist before 25 has no heart. If he remains one after 25 he has no head."

There is a very strong left-wing bias in colleges these days – I've got a few college professors in the family, and they're all card-carrying Marxists (with the exception of one, who went to work on an Israeli Kibbutz in his 20s and became disillusioned – apparently no one wanted to do any work).

If you want to be horrified, Tucker Carlson (the top news and current affairs show in the US) just did a special on 'Campus Craziness' .. 'Safe spaces', 'trigger warnings', forcing white professors off campus, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME4JFcB0MM8
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Posted: 05 June 2017 18:07:24(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47629 wrote:
... They are of above average intelligence, possibly higher than yours.

Prof,
I've tried to be helpful in replying to your posts but your above comment to another user was not nice and I think unwarranted. It should be withdrawn.
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dyfed
Posted: 05 June 2017 19:04:32(UTC)

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I'm signing off from this thread, which has become a bit tedious IMHO and:
"Every minute an investor spends on politics is a minute they could have spent better understanding company and industry fundamentals and valuations"
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john_r
Posted: 05 June 2017 19:14:37(UTC)
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Micawber;47640 wrote:
It's right and natural that the young and intelligent should be idealistic and tending to favour social and liberal ideals. I'd be worried if they weren't. ...................


Students' idealism is not in question, it is more to do with whether they exist or not that's rankling with me. In earlier forums the prof of The University of Common Sense describes himself as being retired, helping to run a business , a qualified accountant and a qualified engineer Not mutually exclusive I grant, but am I cynical of this great wisdom? Very much so! Signing off too!
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Prof Eman
Posted: 05 June 2017 20:50:47(UTC)

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It is entirely up to yourselves whether you want to sign off or not.
Personally and this goes for my students your contributions have been found very enlightening.
I will just clarify some matters/posts in the next day or two.
The first two are #86 and #92.
Not sure why the mention that some students might be more intelligent should cause offence. I myself recognise that there are people who have/have had higher IQ than me.
However, just because one does not agree with some people this should not render them silly as suggested in one post.
Election funding. This was last reviewed under the Coalition. However the findings/conclusions were blocked by Cameron. Is that fair, reasonable and democratic? You tell me.
King Lodos
Posted: 05 June 2017 23:01:28(UTC)

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Prof Eman;47647 wrote:
Election funding. This was last reviewed under the Coalition. However the findings/conclusions were blocked by Cameron. Is that fair, reasonable and democratic? You tell me.


I'd agree in isolation it's not fair .. (that's not to say I can come up with a fairer alternative)

However nor is the level of left-wing bias in entertainment and the media – and doubly so now when it comes to Facebook and Twitter.

Conservative opinions – especially anything pro-life or pro-Israel – can now be labelled 'hate speech', as can anything remotely critical of immigration policy .. Even moderate Muslims are being banned for labelling terrorists 'jihadis' .. I consider myself left-of-centre, but compared to the standards demanded in the online space these days, I might as well be in the National Front.
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