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Money v Making Stuff-Should Britain bid farewell to the golden egg of banking.
Robert Court
Posted: 10 November 2011 08:14:45(UTC)

Joined: 22/08/2011(UTC)
Posts: 606

engineertony

It's a hard life at the top!

Let's hope that Burlesque Coni negotiates himself a good pension that includes generous 'boot polish hair enhancer' and 'lap top payment' allowances.

Let's also hope and pray that the poor man has lasted out long enough to avoid prosecution for all sorts of humanitarian acts designed to help boost his own fortunes and indirectly help his country's flagging economy.

At least most of us can now look forward to cheapo future holidays in BOTH Greece and Italy so there's always a silver lining to a euro cloud/thunderstorm/deluge.

The Germans invested heavily in constructing lots of hotels in the mediterranean; maybe this is all part of a cunning plan for TUI to take over the world of tourism (now their shares have been a bit depressed of late, haven't they?).
Anonymous Post
Posted: 20 November 2011 19:33:31(UTC)
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Dear all
Been away/busy.
Trying to catch up.
Had a look at citywire this week end, and what do I find.
Continuing turmoil.
Article- US debt 'super committee' : what if they fail, as seems the most likely result.
A plethora on euro problems.
Saturday-The Guardian- ECB President Mario Draghi has called for eurozone member states to speed up implementation of the bloc's existing rescue fund.
Sunday- Telegraph- Jim O'Neil Head of Goldman Sachs Asset Management predicts China could overtake the USD as the world's largest economy by 2027 and urged a fundamental rethink of the G7, which he believes is too dominated by the West.
Saturday- the Guardian- disparity in executive pay & shopfloor wages will reach a level not seen since 1900, the high commission reports.
The Independent on Sunday- John Cridland -CBI director General called on big British business to prove that executive pay packets are deserved, on the eve of the body's annual conference tomorrow.
Whilst the "Occupy London" protest continues.
and
A bishops duty is to speak out against the benefits cap.
http:/www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2011nov/19/letters-bishops-condemn-benefits-cap
and The independent- Branson warns of a jobless lost generation

Does anything ever change?

Prof Eman
chazza
Posted: 20 November 2011 22:25:10(UTC)

Joined: 13/08/2010(UTC)
Posts: 606

'Does anything ever change?'
Yes, but so far, not for the better...
The longer this crisis goes on, the more I fear for the 'lost generation'. I suppose it is inevitable that wages and salaries will be depressed when the oversupply of graduates is so large, but it is, I fear, a sign of a deflationary spiral when salaries for early career engineering graduates in central London are down to £20,000 for those lucky enough to get a start. I just wrote reference for a recent graduate for a job in Devon with a starting salary of £8,900 for a 30-hour week. But sharing the available work around at low pay may be preferable to building an army of jobless young people with no hope. BUt that makes CBI director General's call on big British business 'to prove that executive pay packets are deserved' a joke: when wages and salaries generally are declining, high and increasing levles of executive pay cannot possibly be justified.
Anonymous Post
Posted: 21 November 2011 23:18:01(UTC)
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Dear all
To-day's round up.
BBC News business 158161199
The PM at the CBI conference.
'Everyone agrees (some like us, more than others) now, that Britain's economy had become lopsided, too dependent on debts, on consumption, on financial services.'
Let's take a look at debts
BBC News business 15820601 Robert Peston -UK's debts 'biggest in the world'
According to the consulting firm (McKinsey), by the end of March this year, the aggregate indebtness of the UK, - that's the sum of household debts, company debts, Govt debts, and bank debts, - had risen to 492% of GDP, (similar to Japan's) or almost five times the value of everything we produce in a single year.
That compares with 481% at the end of 2008.'
Source citywire-FTSE sinks as global debt fears stoke markets sell off.
Comment BCG Cooper
'There are no easy solutions to the mess we are in, and so we are seeing the democratically elected Govt's of indebted nationals failing. Either they are being chucked out of office (Spain), shoved aside for technocrats (Italy and Greece), or just failing to come up with any solutions (America).'
Latest- No deal for US super-committee.
Markets going down again.
Debt going up?

Prof Eman

Anonymous Post
Posted: 22 November 2011 22:23:45(UTC)
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Dear all
Debt and Credit.
Sometimes the two are synonymous and sometimes not.
We have noted action on debt-citywire- Crackdown on store cards, can we extend it to the banks? Could try, why not?
But there is another fundamental issue to consider, which is credit ratings.
Is it fair or reasonable to have people carry a six year ban on credit, for a small CCJ, or one they have paid off?
This amongst other things can mean that they cannot purchase a house for six years!
Time to unblock this blockage from the system,. and get the Commissioner to look into more sensible credit rating arrangements, not based on automatic six year bans?
Comments please.
Also, have you or some-one you know, ever got caught up in the credit ratings mire?

Prof Eman
engineertony
Posted: 22 November 2011 22:58:01(UTC)

Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC)
Posts: 71

Extrapolate...if we are sinking at a certain rate, how long will it take before we hit the bottom.
Visions of the Titanic sinking and the musicians playing away as the ship sank.
Just seen a Daewoo washing machine, sensors everywhere, computer controlled, 9 lb load, with hot air dryer, £450,
these Koreans are amazing, not surprised James Dyson pulled out of washing machines. I'm an admirer of James Dyson as a man who made it in spite of government opposition and lots of setbacks, but a bagless vacuum cleaner and a status symbol fan won't sit too well alongside James Watt and Frank Whittle.
I've realised that what we are good at is hype, if you can call a vacuum cleaner a status symbol, even though it's too heavy to use, and sell it to the Japanese, if we can sell stuffed sharks to Russian millionaires, trash television shows to the world, London fashion jeans by Victoria Beckham at £200 a pair, then we should specialise in hype, conning the world that there is some status value in a useless product.
So forget manufacturing, we could never catch the Koreans if we all started working for a living 24/7, and the City is looking dodgy now that they have been found out as a bunch of greedy gangsters, modern communications has spoiled it for the rich and powerful, they must get sick of being exposed. I'm betting on hype. For hype you don't need any particular skill or talent or even brains, a glance at the celebrities posing on the TV shows it, and you don't need to be good looking, the main push is to get on the stage, infrony of the camera and hold of the microphone and you're in.
Incidentally the Titanic need not have sunk, just needed one good engineer to work out that if they flooded the back then the front would only sink to a level that would not flow over the sectional bulkheads. Blankets, pillows, mattresses dangled in the water near the leak would have plugged it like tealeaves in the sink. The hatch covers were big enough to hold all the passengers.
Dyson wants another 350 engineers but he can't find them, we've all retired.

Anonymous Post
Posted: 23 November 2011 14:46:35(UTC)
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Dear all
Another way to unblock the house building programme should be to break the monopoly powers of the LPA's (Local Planning Authorities), for example, stop their pathetic abuse of monopoly powers under their delegated powers and recommendations in Planning Committee meetings.
For more detail please see the - Planners from hell. Have you a story to tell - Forum.

Prof Eman
Anonymous Post
Posted: 24 November 2011 20:57:25(UTC)
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engineertony
Your post at #847
Have you writen in to citywire with a suggestion, that they could help put cash and inventors together, via some direct investment vehicle? To become a long term top fund?
I would not mind puttting in a small sum into an or a number of inventions if I liked it/them, through a citywire direct investment fund.
Something on the likes of a fund, which could be secured with a multitude of investments in inventions, or alternatively allow a direct investment for a particular invention.

Prof Eman
engineertony
Posted: 24 November 2011 22:08:22(UTC)

Joined: 24/05/2011(UTC)
Posts: 71

Prof,

Anything is worth a shot I'll have a go.
After working for 50 years and inventing for some 40 of these years, I've got first hand knowledge of the whole scene.
Practically all the firms I've had meetings with are now foreign owned. Philips Croydon, good idea we'll have to consult with Holland, Apex Marine great idea we'll get funding from Aqualung California, Brush Machines Loughborough great idea we'll ask Mirelli Motors Italy for the go ahead, and on and on.
There is not a single Venture Capital Organisation which does engineering start-ups for lone inventors.
At the moment we have hundreds if not thousands of companies setting up as consultants, advisers, help for inventors, patent agents, business link, SMART, etc etc...

There's an army of parasites and bluffers , chancers of every type, seminars and liason groups, exhibitions and presentations, self help advisors, positive thinking lecturers all taking government money and creating nothing.
I'm a member of dozens of these organisations. Typically....the UKIF, the UK invention Forum, mission is to put University spin-out companies in touch with the cash, it has 3000 members at £125 a year subscription. CEO Dr. Gerald Low, PhD in philosophy and theology. there's a hundred others.

Then we have Vince Cable. He has the Technology Strategy Board, with a subgroup, the KTN, Knowledge Transfer Network, with a subgroup _connect, with subgroups in various technology fields e.g. Power & Energy , Defence, and in each of these areas there are subgroups where we discuss our particular talents and skills. It pours millions, like 15 million here, 20 million there, and then he announces that X million has been put into promoting innovation in some area. The Organisation has achieved next to nothing in some two years.

We have NESTA, given 200 million with a mission to use the interest to promote Science, Technology & the Arts. Headed by Lord Putnam a film maker with a panel of art graduates and no engineers he gave everything to his mates in the film industry until they kicked him out and replaced him. They're not doing much better now.
Meanwhile a thousand SMEs are struggling for survival from years of government opposition to Manufacturing and Engineering.

Now it's panic time as Cameron realises that they don't want him in the Eurozone and they could make a financial centre in France or Germany, while at the same time India, Brazil, China, Korea, Japan, and a few more look poised to bury us in 10 or 20 years time.
I think the title of this thread might seem a bit more like "bid farewell to making stuff AND the golden egg of banking."
Inventions by their nature can sound strange and rediculous to those outside the specialised knowledge, nothing new, Frank Whittle with RAF chiefs, Dyson with Hoover, my latest oil well scheme sounds strange to most of the people I've contacted even in Oil & Gas Universities, but I have a working demonstration going on in my workshop right now. Still hardly any interest.
In spite of all the negatives I'll propose what you say to Citywire and tell the tale on this thread.
Anonymous Post
Posted: 25 November 2011 20:49:00(UTC)
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engineertony
Just had a look at ciywire - Markets, 'still haven't priced in 'worst case scenario'
Worth reading together with the comments following, particularly the analogy by Nicholas Kendle. I think you'll love it.
Should put a smile on your face and help you enjoy the week-end.

Prof Eman

Ps Others of you might want to look at it, as well.
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