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Robert D;333199 wrote:
CTPE taking one heck of a thumping today, down 7 per cent. Any reason why?

a) it does this after divi payout normally
b) it has rallied way to strongly recently

For me its a hold
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Newbie;333208 wrote:
Robert D;333199 wrote:
CTPE taking one heck of a thumping today, down 7 per cent. Any reason why?

a) it does this after divi payout normally
b) it has rallied way to strongly recently

For me its a hold



For me the SP has outperformed the NAV by a long way and now the shares are overvalued hence sale a few days ago.

The discount has come down from high 30s to 21.56% (now overvalued) and average of 33.33%.

For me the discount has to be closer to low 30s. before I buy back in... This also depends on comparison discounts in the sector as well as the general IT/IC sectors.


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Big boy;333215 wrote:
Newbie;333208 wrote:
Robert D;333199 wrote:
CTPE taking one heck of a thumping today, down 7 per cent. Any reason why?

a) it does this after divi payout normally
b) it has rallied way to strongly recently

For me its a hold



For me the SP has outperformed the NAV by a long way and now the shares are overvalued hence sale a few days ago.

The discount has come down from high 30s to 21.56% (now overvalued) and average of 33.33%.

For me the discount has to be closer to low 30s. before I buy back in... This also depends on comparison discounts in the sector as well as the general IT/IC sectors.



I thought your strategy was to pull out after after discounts went to 15% ?
It is currently on 21%
So what made you pull out of this one
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Raj K on 05/02/2025(UTC)
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Did anyone watch the HVPE presentation on Investor Meets Company?

So we know they have increased their distribution pool to capture 30% (previoulsy 15%) of realisations to use for share buybacks

They also talked about a simplication of the investment structure where they no longer will be investing in Harbourvest fund of funds but rather in the third party PE funds directly?

If so i would have expected a reduction in fees? Maybe i did not understand the revised structure.

Continuation vote in 2026 where a simple majority is needed to win the day.

Chair seems to be doing the right things to try and encourage closing of the discount. What else can they do?





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Augmentum peak 27 June 122p presently 97p.
NAV 164P Hence 40% discount.
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Johan De Silva on 05/02/2025(UTC)
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https://www-thetimes-com...r_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=th

Wednesday February 05 2025, 10.30pm, The Times

Is it time to sell shares in HarbourVest Global Private Equity?


Activist investors are shaking up the £2bn investment trust. A 38 per cent discount to NAV and proposed reforms raise questions about its future

The sleepy world of investment trusts has been shaken up by activist investors this year. It appears that the £2 billion HarbourVest Global Private Equity trust is no exception. The FTSE 250 fundis one of the biggest in the sector, though the seemingly perennial discount on the shares and a mistrust of private assets means that it has often gone unnoticed by most DIY investors. But a radical overhaul at the trust could change all this.

A combination of complaints from Metage Capital, an activist investor based in London, its stubborn double-digit discount and trailing share price, has prompted the fund to introduce reforms to serve its shareholders better.

The first initiative is to double the proportion of available cash in its distribution pool for share buybacks from 15 per cent to 30 per cent. It has also agreed in principle a new simplified investment structure with its manager, HarbourVest Partners, which will put the trust’s funds into a separate vehicle to create a more direct relationship between HVPE investors and its private holdings, as previously they were “co-mingled” with other funds. Finally, the board has also proposed the introduction of a continuation vote at its annual meeting next year.

Even with these changes, the fund is not particularly easy to understand at first glance. HVPE is an investment company that has invested in other funds, which in turn invest their assets into a diverse range of private companies. That includes the likes of Shein, the Chinese fashion retailer, Revolut, the digital bank and DP World Australia, the cargo handling operator.

The fund has invested alongside other HarbourVest managed funds that focus on primary fund commitments, secondary investments and direct co-investments in operating companies. About half of the fund was in primary assets, 30 per cent in secondary and 21 per cent as a direct co-investment as of the end of December. After a few years of growth, the fund then exits the investment. The money raised from these exits then provides the fuel for new commitments, and it continues in a cycle.
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Its portfolio also includes investments in private credit. This means that it has underlying exposure to more than 1,000 different businesses.

Within its portfolio, about 62 per cent of companies were at the buyout stage as of the end of December. Just under 33 per cent were still in the venture and growth equity stage, with the remainder in infrastructure and real assets or mezzanine financing. By sector, about 33 per cent of the portfolio was invested in private technology and software assets, such as Databricks, the data intelligence platform. The remainder was relatively evenly spread among consumer, medical and biotech, financial, industrial and transport, all ranging from 9 per cent to 14 per cent. A modest 5 per cent was in media and telecom businesses, and 4 per cent in energy and clean tech.

The fund is well diversified, and its proponents argue that it acts as a one-stop-shop for a basket of privately owned assets. Historically it has been a decent performer, with the annualised net asset value per share return of 13 per cent, compared with 10 per cent from the FTSE All World from 2014 to 2024.

Shares in the trust rallied by as much as 5 per cent last week when it announced its efforts to reduce its 38 per cent discount to NAV. Much of this was enthusiasm about the trust potentially setting aside more cash to return to shareholders, which analysts at the broker Deutsche Numis reckon could lead to $235 million being available for buybacks this year, equivalent to 5.6 per cent of NAV and roughly 10 per cent of its market value. It can only be a good thing that HVPE has been consulting with its shareholders and analysts seem to expect that the reforms reflect HVPE’s expectations of better valuations and more realisations in the portfolio this year.

Advice Hold
Why Encouraging initiatives by board to simplify a complex investment
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Mr GL on 06/02/2025(UTC)
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Raj K;333288 wrote:

Did anyone watch the HVPE presentation on Investor Meets Company?

So we know they have increased their distribution pool to capture 30% (previoulsy 15%) of realisations to use for share buybacks

They also talked about a simplication of the investment structure where they no longer will be investing in Harbourvest fund of funds but rather in the third party PE funds directly?

If so i would have expected a reduction in fees? Maybe i did not understand the revised structure.

Continuation vote in 2026 where a simple majority is needed to win the day.

Chair seems to be doing the right things to try and encourage closing of the discount. What else can they do?



I watched it... thought overall positive... the director on the call made the point that PE trusts could get back to mid teen discounts as and when the distribution pool ramps up and the expected uptick in corporate activity / liquidity events for their underlying investments... manager saying that signs are there of increased activity..

I didnt add to HVPE after the call however.... I did add to PIN as I looked at recent relative performance
3.1% Pantheon PIN
4.1% Harborvest HVPE
3.7% Oakley OCI
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John Bran;333377 wrote:
Augmentum peak 27 June 122p presently 97p.
NAV 164P Hence 40% discount.


Added only 5000 shares to start drip feeding again and may build a much larger position. I don't think the NAV will grow nearly as much as CHRY that has Klarna, however there are less certain more speculative opportunities in AUGM's portfolio that are profitable (Tide bank) and could rise in value.

In public markets the Financial sector are outperforming other sectors. The NAV of both CHRY and AUGM could accelerate to 20 percent (private performance chasing public) allowing discount narrowing on top of this as investors see this environment evolve.

While directors are buying, net-selling has been around for a while now but I see nothing fundamentally negative about AUGM other than it is less attractive than CHRY from an IPO perspective and meaningful allocation to the best of the basket.

AUGM on 41 percent discount.
CHRY on 33.4 percent discount.

MSCI World Financials 1 year: +36.15%
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Article from the FT on Friday...

Fintech Klarna targets US IPO in April
Valuation of up to $15bn would make it one of the biggest listings this year.
https://www.ft.com/conte...-4769-81d3-bc7e194ff55d

Swedish fintech Klarna is targeting an IPO in the US in April with a valuation of up to $15bn, in what would be one of the biggest listings this year.

The buy-now, pay later credit company is preparing to unveil its listing plans as soon as next month, according to people familiar with the company’s thinking. It filed for an IPO to the US Securities and Exchange Commission in November but has not yet picked a listing venue in the US, according to one person familiar with the matter. Klarna declined to comment.

The company was founded in 2005 by chief executive Sebastian Siemiatkowski and offers short-term interest free loans to consumers, typically at retailer checkouts.

It became an emblem of the fintech boom and bust when its valuation crashed to $6.7bn just a year after a 2021 fundraising valued it at $46bn and made it Europe’s most valuable start-up.

The fintech recently emerged from a governance crisis caused by a conflict between Siemiatkowski and his co-founder Victor Jacobsson that resulted in the latter’s representative being ousted from Klarna’s board last year.

Klarna has narrowed its losses in the past year, and appears on track to return to annual profitability. It was regularly profitable until 2019, when it started to accept some credit losses in order to pursue US expansion.

It has sought to cut costs and reduce its balance sheet ahead of an IPO, believing AI will allow it to almost halve its headcount. It has also been offloading loans in a drive to free up capital for lending growth and recently sold most of its UK portfolio to US hedge fund Elliott. It is also in talks to sell a US loan book, the FT has previously reported.
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Does anyone have idea why Pantheon International is one of the poorest performers over 1, 3 and 10 years in the Private Equity Space when companred to the other well know direct and fund of fund/hybrid PE outfits?

Is it poor management (crap selection of GP's?) , buyout cap range? Country exposure?

Been reviewing PPET (which i hold) and CTPE (which i dont). Just wondering why PIN is so far behind?
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