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Bitcoin up $30k in a month...
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 28 November 2023 18:59:47(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

Standard Chartered: Bitcoin to $100k in 2024
https://www.businessinsi...%20positive%20surprise.

RFK Jr backs Bitcoin
https://cryptonews.net/news/bitcoin/27909002/

RFK Jr has greatest favourability rating for President 2024
https://thehill.com/home...es-in-favorability-poll/
Jesse M
Posted: 29 November 2023 17:17:52(UTC)

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Every Bitcoin transaction uses, on average, enough water to fill "a back yard swimming pool", a new study suggests. That's around six million times more than is used in a typical credit card swipe, Alex de Vries of Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, calculates.

The figure is due to the water used to power and cool the millions of computers worldwide Bitcoin relies on. It comes as many regions struggle with fresh water shortages.

Up to three billion people worldwide already experience water shortages, a situation which is expected to worsen in the coming decades, the study notes.

In total, bitcoin consumed nearly 1,600 billion litres - also known as gigalitres (GL) - of water in 2021, the study, published in the journal Cell Reports Sustainability, suggests.

It says the 2023 figure could be more than 2,200 GL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67564205

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Tim D on 29/11/2023(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 29 November 2023 17:56:38(UTC)

Joined: 23/07/2019(UTC)
Posts: 8,101

Neminem Laedit;287720 wrote:
Standard Chartered: Bitcoin to $100k in 2024
https://www.businessinsi...%20positive%20surprise.

RFK Jr backs Bitcoin
https://cryptonews.net/news/bitcoin/27909002/

RFK Jr has greatest favourability rating for President 2024
https://thehill.com/home...es-in-favorability-poll/


LOL RFK jr is an utter fruitcake and subscribes to just about every conspiracy theory going including UFO's, Chemicals are put in water to make people transgender and Ukraine is full of secret CIA bio-labs.

He is a total nutter... and has Russians working in his campaign team.

Here is some analysis of him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxCjxN2rYY

Neminem Laedit
Posted: 29 November 2023 18:39:23(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

ANDREW FOSTER;287842 wrote:
Neminem Laedit;287720 wrote:
Standard Chartered: Bitcoin to $100k in 2024
https://www.businessinsi...%20positive%20surprise.

RFK Jr backs Bitcoin
https://cryptonews.net/news/bitcoin/27909002/

RFK Jr has greatest favourability rating for President 2024
https://thehill.com/home...es-in-favorability-poll/


LOL RFK jr is an utter fruitcake and subscribes to just about every conspiracy theory going including UFO's, Chemicals are put in water to make people transgender and Ukraine is full of secret CIA bio-labs.

He is a total nutter... and has Russians working in his campaign team.

Here is some analysis of him...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxCjxN2rYY



He's currently on 22%.

And if the Yanks can elect Trump, they can elect anyone. People are sick to death of the political class, and the MSM, and their "labelling".

Like Bitcoin, Trump and RFK Jr are antifragile. The more you attack them, the stronger they grow,

I don't have a vote there in any case. I'm just interested in the fact that a serious (in terms of polls) candidate is strongly in favour of Bitcoin, and what effect that might have on price.

Prediction: we will hear the word "bitcoin" mentioned for the first time in a US presidential debate....
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 29 November 2023 20:02:20(UTC)

Joined: 23/07/2019(UTC)
Posts: 8,101

Neminem Laedit;287848 wrote:


Prediction: we will hear the word "bitcoin" mentioned for the first time in a US presidential debate....


You may hear the word "Bitcoin", I will hear "desperation"....
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Tim D on 29/11/2023(UTC)
Tim D
Posted: 29 November 2023 20:14:53(UTC)

Joined: 07/06/2017(UTC)
Posts: 8,883

How it started:
https://twitter.com/Cris...tus/1594359923537846273
(Cristiano Ronaldo launches his NFT collection on Binance.)

How it's going:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67566602
(Cristiano Ronaldo faces $1bn lawsuit over Binance ads)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 30 November 2023 15:07:25(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

Jesse M;287837 wrote:

Every Bitcoin transaction uses, on average, enough water to fill "a back yard swimming pool", a new study suggests. That's around six million times more than is used in a typical credit card swipe, Alex de Vries of Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, calculates.

The figure is due to the water used to power and cool the millions of computers worldwide Bitcoin relies on. It comes as many regions struggle with fresh water shortages.

Up to three billion people worldwide already experience water shortages, a situation which is expected to worsen in the coming decades, the study notes.

In total, bitcoin consumed nearly 1,600 billion litres - also known as gigalitres (GL) - of water in 2021, the study, published in the journal Cell Reports Sustainability, suggests.

It says the 2023 figure could be more than 2,200 GL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67564205



Junk "science", from a Central Bank FUDster named De Vries, who once told us that Bitcoin would use all the world's energy by 2020...

According to independent studies, Bitcoin will actually encourage renewables.
https://www.independent....le-energy-b2454666.html

Cambridge University debunked the "energy per transaction" nonsense a couple of years ago...
https://bitcoinmagazine....ion-metric-is-misleading
Tim D
Posted: 30 November 2023 15:59:38(UTC)

Joined: 07/06/2017(UTC)
Posts: 8,883

I've seen coiners make this argument before. It's basically "doing something incredibly wasteful with X incentivizes the production of X!". Makes zero sense when there are far more useful things could be done with X.

But these days the Elephant in the Room for Bitcoin's energy consumption is Ether's switch from PoW to PoS. Here's Digiconomists own data on what that did for Ether's energy consumption:
Ether energy consumption

Assuming the PoW to PoS transition can be considered "successful" (AFAIK it has been), any crypto-fan who's actually a seriously a believer in the technological superiority of this stuff (not me, obviously) would surely have to concede that Ether has made a huge technological leap forward in efficiency while Bitcoin has been left behind in the crypto stone age. The fact folks are apparently happy to continue to pour 100-200TWh a year into Bitcoin when Ether could do the same job with a fraction of the energy cost is... telling.

Not looked into it in more detail but I've also seen claims the switch to PoS should accelerate Ether's transactions per second from 10-20 - similar to PoW Bitcoin - to 100,000-200,000 per second. Again, that makes Bitcoin look utterly obsolete.

So Bitcoin is technologically left behind... and yet there it is, still. Whatever's going on, it doesn't appear very rational. I'd suggest "rigged" is actually the more appropriate word.
Interesting read at
https://www.technologyre...stake-why-cant-bitcoin/
on the slim prospects of Bitcoin moving to PoS.
Tim D
Posted: 30 November 2023 16:09:59(UTC)

Joined: 07/06/2017(UTC)
Posts: 8,883

Neminem Laedit;287983 wrote:
Junk "science", from a Central Bank FUDster named De Vries, who once told us that Bitcoin would use all the world's energy by 2020...


I assume that's referring to
https://www.weforum.org/...-power-than-world-2020/

The full quote is
Quote:
Bitcoin mining's energy use is reportedly growing at a rate of 25% per month. At that rate of growth, it will consume as much electricity as the US in 2019. And by 2020, bitcoin mining could be consuming the same amount of electricity every year as is currently used by the entire world.

and I assume could well have been accurate at the time. But the crucial bit is "at that rate of growth" and of course 25% a month (x14.5 in a year, x3081 in 3 years) was never going to be a sustainable growth rate for very long.

It's quite amusing to see a Bitcoiner mocking such a prediction when so much crypto shilling also involves taking a recent bitcoin growth rate and extrapolating to project a $100,000 , $1,000,000 or whatever per bitcoin valuation will shortly be achieved.
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 30 November 2023 18:10:51(UTC)

Joined: 17/09/2018(UTC)
Posts: 1,471

And MicroStrategy buys another $600 million in Bitcoin...

https://www.nasdaq.com/a...bitcoin-for-$593-million
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