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water meters good or bad,plus up to date comments regarding water.
White Stick follower
Posted: 17 July 2015 10:12:07(UTC)

Joined: 16/09/2010(UTC)
Posts: 49

I have a water pressure regulator fitted to my water softener. Over the years I had problems with its two clockwork predecessors. The current digital one also caused difficulty until it was suggested that the pressure was too high. My plumber guessed, given his local knowledge that it would be about 1.5-2 bar. I called South East Water and an engineer visited with a test meter (no charge) and found it to be an astonishing 5.6-6 bar during the day. He was so surprised he re-tested about half a dozen times. My plumber fitted an adjustable pressure regulator set at 2 bar max and I now have no problems with the water softener.

Re the boiler. I have discussed the boiler issue with my plumber. At present I have a conventional boiler.The problem with a condensing boiler is that as we have more than one shower it would not cope with two feeds running at the same time. Also the change of boiler type would cause considerable upheaval and expense due to plumbing runs. So we agreed that I will have another conventional boiler when needed- my current one is 18 years old and still testing at 90% efficient. The service limitations of a condensing boiler and the amount of structural & plumbing work needed means that the 2005 exemptions apply.
BOB 2
Posted: 17 July 2015 14:21:50(UTC)

Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC)
Posts: 709

W.S.F
Combi Boilers were originally designed for bungalows, but have been very popular and now
many houses/ flats have them fitted as a alternative to the old conventional system,
as they are easy to fit, all components are built into the boiler, no need for tanks, cylinders .
plus extra pipe work, I know i mentioned that shower mixers can be connected to these boilers
as we had in our last house, it worked ok for us, as we knew the hot water output was limited to
14.5 litres a minute at around 35c so we knew not to open other hot taps while someone else was having a shower, our new house had a electric shower fitted ,so when i replaced the old
conventional gas boiler with a condensing combi, i left the electric Mira shower connected as it
was, as it worked perfectly well and as i believe cannot be improved upon as you get instant hot water, no waste, and only pay for the electricity while it's on for about 4 minutes, in a nutshell i don't think you can beat a electric shower,

Down here in Somerset the mains water is very soft , hardly any scale at all ,no need for a water softener, now when i worked in the Luton area , the scale was very high probably due to the lots of chalk in the soil / chalk hills, i remember cleaning out a large calorifier and removing 3/4 of a wheelbarrow full from inside,

White Stick follower
Posted: 17 July 2015 17:06:02(UTC)

Joined: 16/09/2010(UTC)
Posts: 49

Thanks for this. Here in Windsor & Maidenhead the water is so hard its virtually off of the scale, so chalking up is a major issue.
BOB 2
Posted: 17 July 2015 20:54:03(UTC)

Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC)
Posts: 709

information of interest re soft or hard water,

Hard water is water that has high mineral content (in contrast with "soft water"). Hard water is formed when water percolates through deposits of limestone and chalk-containing minerals such as calcium and magnesium.

Hard drinking water is generally not harmful to one's health,[1] but can pose serious problems in industrial settings, where water hardness is monitored to avoid costly breakdowns in boilers, cooling towers, and other equipment that handles water. In domestic settings, hard water is often indicated by a lack of suds formation when soap is agitated in water, and by the formation of limescale in kettles and water heaters. Wherever water hardness is a concern, water softening is commonl

HARD OR SOFT IN YOUR AREA OF THE COUNTRY.
By English County
Bedfordshire - Hard to very hard
Berkshire - Hard to very hard
Bucks - Hard to very hard
Cambridgeshire - Hard to very hard
Cheshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Cornwall - Soft to moderately soft
Cumbria - Soft to moderately soft
Derbyshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Devon - Soft to moderately soft
Dorset - Hard to very hard
Durham - Soft to moderately soft
Essex - Hard to very hard
Gloucestershire - Hard to very hard
Greater London - Slightly to moderately hard
Hampshire - Hard to very hard
Herefordshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Hertfordshire - Hard to very hard
Kent - Hard to very hard
Lancashire - Soft to moderately soft
Leicestershire - Slightly to moderately hard
Lincolnshire - Hard to very hard
Norfolk - Hard to very hard
Northants - Slightly to moderately hard
Northumberland - Slightly to moderately hard
Nottinghamshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Oxfordshire - Hard to very hard
Rutland - Slightly to moderately hard
Shropshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Somerset - Soft to moderately soft
Staffordshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Suffolk - Hard to very hard
Surrey - Hard to very hard
Sussex - Hard to very hard
Warwickshire - Slightly to moderately hard
Wiltshire - Hard to very hard
Worcs - Slightly to moderately hard

I see my area is as i thought. somerset, soft to moderate soft.

Effects of hard water[
With hard water, soap solutions form a white precipitate (soap scum) instead of producing lather, because the 2+ ions destroy the surfactant properties of the soap by forming a solid precipitate (the soap scum). A major component of such scum is calcium stearate, which arises from sodium stearate, the main component of soap:

What's the difference between hard and soft water?
Hard water has a high concentration of minerals; usually calcium and magnesium compounds. Limescale is calcium carbonate that is precipitated out of the hard water when it is heated. Other than being unsightly, it also acts as an insulator, leading to overheating of elements and is therefore potentially damaging to your appliances.

Do I need to install a softener?
Some customers living in harder water areas choose to install water
softeners. We recommend that customers do not soften the water supply
to the taps from which drinking water is drawn. Some softeners can
increase the levels of sodium in the water which is harmful for people
suffering from high blood pressure. Softened water can be more
corrosive to metal pipe work and thereby increase the concentration of
metals in the water.
In hard water areas, how can the build up of scale be prevented?
Fresh water should always be used to fill kettles - re-boiling water will
encourage the build up of scale and other deposits and can lead to a
change in the taste of the water.
To help prevent the build up of scale in boilers and central heating
systems, it is good practice to keep the temperature setting below 60c
The formation of scale is very slight until the temperature of water
reaches 70c
60c is normally sufficient for domestic purposes

INFORMATION RE PLASTIC WATER BOTTLES.
Plastic water bottles are very convenient for carting water around when we are on the go, as they don't break if we drop them. However, it is worth paying attention to the type of plastic your water bottle is made of, to ensure that the chemicals in the plastic do not leach into the water. If you taste plastic, you are drinking it, so get yourself another bottle.

To be certain that you are choosing a bottle that does not leach, check the recycling symbol on your bottle. If it is a #2 HDPE (high density polyethylene), or a #4 LDPE (low density polyethylene), or a #5 PP (polypropylene), your bottle is fine. The type of plastic bottle in which water is usually sold is usually a #1, and is only recommended for one time use. Do not refill it. Better to use a reusable water bottle, and fill it with your own filtered water from home and keep these single-use bottles out of the landfill.

Unfortunately, those fabulous colourful hard plastic lexan bottles made with polycarbonate plastics and identified by the #7 recycling symbol, may leach BPA. Bisphenol A is a xenoestrogen, a known endocrine disruptor, meaning it disturbs the hormonal messaging in our bodies. Synthetic xenoestrogens are linked to breast cancer and uterine cancer in women, decreased testosterone levels in men, and are particularly devastating to babies and young children. BPA has even been linked to insulin resistance and Type 2 Diabetes. For more of the science on the effects of BPA on our endocrine system etc. see these studies: Environmental Health Perspectives Journal. Nalgene, the company that manufactures the lexan water bottles also makes #2 HDPE bottles in the same sizes and shapes, so we have a viable alternative. Order one at Nalgene.

Unfortunately, most plastic baby bottles and drinking cups are made with plastics containing Bisphenol A. In 2006 Europe banned all products made for children under age 3 containing BPA, and as of Dec. 2006 the city of San Franscisco followed suit. In March 2007 a billion-dollar class action suit was commenced against Gerber, Playtex, Evenflo, Avent, and Dr. Brown's in Los Angeles superior court for harm done to babies caused by drinking out of baby bottles and sippy cups containing BPA. So, to be certain that your baby is not exposed, use glass bottles.

Check the recycling numbers on all your plastic food containers as well, and gradually move to storing all food in glass or ceramic.

Store water in glass or brass if possible, and out of direct sunlight.


HOW MUCH WATER SHOULD YOU DRINK A DAY.

Dr. Margaret McCartney, expert in evidence-based medicine and British Medical Journal contributor
"There is no evidence to suggest drinking increased amounts of water benefits your health. Being told to drink eight glasses a day is also incredibly inaccurate - how big are those glasses anyway? We have a fantastic physiological system that is much more sensitive than any one-fits-all-water quota, it's called 'thirst'. Drinking to quench thirst is always a good idea, but drinking on top of quenching that initial sensation has no proven benefits - unless you are following specific advice from your doctor.
Besides, drinking endlessly from plastic bottles isn't healthy, and it's immoral - instead drink to satiate thirst, from a glass bottle filled with filtered tap water."

Eve Kalinik, nutritional therapist
"Our body is 60 per cent water, so I tell all my clients to drink at least one and a half litres of water a day to keep the body functioning properly. The main obstacle is usually a lifestyle issue, as we're almost becoming too busy to notice we're even thirsty, until we have that classic headache - and that's on top of the fact that we drink too much coffee, which dehydrates us. And it's not remedied by chugging back two litres at the end of the day if you haven't met your quota; too much too late keeps you up at night, just as dehydration would disturb your sleep.
But don't get fixated by your water intake - if you're eating a healthy diet full of fruit and vegetables, and herbal tea, that all counts towards your fluid intake, too. I tell clients to sip small amounts throughout the day and listen to their bodies. I'm a firm believer in that tried and tested method."
BOB 2
Posted: 06 August 2015 11:59:59(UTC)

Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC)
Posts: 709

UPDATE 06/08/2015
WATER BILLS REDUCED, AS PROMISED.
We have just received our latest combined water/sewage bill from Wessex water
and i thought you may be interested to know how its changed.( on a meter )

WATER CHARGE. up to 31/03/15 was 224.46p a cubic metre (1 cubic metre = 1000 litres)
from 01/04/15 ....................................209.49p a cubic metre

SEWAGE CHARGE up to 31/03/15 was 185.47p a cubic metre.
from 01/04/15.........................................179.10p a cubic metre
note sewage charges are based on the same amount of water you use ,so if you're charged for
using say 20 cubic metres of water,your be charged for 20 meters of sewage .

STANDING CHARGES, stay the same
WATER £24 a year
SEWAGE £54 a year
DISCOUNTS, a 5% discount on the sewage charge is applied if all your gutter and path water goes to underground soakaways .

so how do you compare my charges to yours

my total bill for 2 adults for half year that's for 182 days half year = £224.42
this includes all charges,water,sewage,s.charges , discount.
and i used 48 cubic metres of water, which = 48,000 litres

so i divide the total cost £224.42 by the amount of water used 48,000 litres
= .0046754 p a litre charged
so my total charge for the past 6 months = .0046754p for every litre of water we use.

notes
so to flush the toilet say average of 5 litres a flush =.023377 p a flush
shower say 4 minutes x 15 litres = 60 litres x .0046754p a litre = .2805 p or 28p approx.

White Stick follower
Posted: 06 August 2015 15:13:14(UTC)

Joined: 16/09/2010(UTC)
Posts: 49

Sewage companies claim that they factor in an amount lost between importing to the property and exporting to the sewer. How one checks this is anybody's guess.
BOB 2
Posted: 06 August 2015 16:16:54(UTC)

Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC)
Posts: 709

White stick follower
I should think 8 % was a good guess, as most people working fill up in the morning/ breakfast and deposit it somewhere else work.public conveniences , and now lots of public conveniences
charge from 20p upwards, so you could say this is a extra charge to your bill, but how much do sewage companies allow for this is a mystery,unless anybody out there knows .
one thing mentioned in their literature was blockages in sewage pipes,and the new culprit is
WET WIPES, as they do not disintegrate like tissue and build up in certain places in sewage pipes until they completely block the flow PAPER HAND TOWELS are another as they to do not
disintegrate,as i have seen with my own eyes under manhole covers ,especially in supermarkets
foul drains. but how do you stop people flushing these type of things down the toilet
my suggestion, each wet wipe or paper towel should have printed into it, in large letters
DO NOT FLUSH, and paper towels should be banned from use in any public toilet.
re wet wipes are somewhat of a new thing , before you just used a damp cloth, but know everybody seems to use them for all types of uses , supermarkets,shelves are full of different types, i should think the amount sold must run into millions of pounds,
BOB 2
Posted: 04 February 2016 19:01:22(UTC)

Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC)
Posts: 709

04/02/2016 of interest or maybe not
found this comment in the Telegraph, some bloke called bob
re SEVERN TRENT water company enjoys a good start


Profits up 13% to a staggering £174.7m during the six months to the end of September , no wonder our water bills are so high, we can thank Margaret Thatcher
for this selling off our water companies. but can we swap company's to get a better
deal. NO WE CAN'T so we are stuck with high charges, and if you're on a water meter paying for every litre you use, hold on, the family next door all 8 of them
are on rateable value water fixed charge, and they can have unlimited people living in the house and use a unlimited amount of water, 50 times more than us Mary
CAN THIS BE RIGHT .Yes Fred but never mind i saved you my bath water
it's time for your annual bath,
Andrew Hill
Posted: 04 February 2016 21:45:56(UTC)

Joined: 03/01/2012(UTC)
Posts: 18

When the water companies reach "meter saturation", that is >90% the prices will be ramped up. They need the same amount of rising income as at present. They will overcome regulatory objections by using environmental arguments and the need to renew infrastructure. The growing population and increased demand in the south and south east of the country where we do not have sufficient collection and storage capacity will be used to argue for increased prices.

If you are on a meter enjoy it while you can. It will not last.
JEL G
Posted: 04 February 2016 23:01:15(UTC)

Joined: 29/11/2010(UTC)
Posts: 60

Any house move now entails having a water meter installed if not already.
We have lived in our cottage for 40 years now and our water usage is high but our bills are minuscule due to a tiny RV based on 1973 levels. All things in life are unfair. Sometime one is a winner and sometimes one is a loser.
I would never out of choice have a meter installed. Luckily for us we are happy to see out our days here with our 4.5 acre plot.

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