Rookie Investor;274078 wrote:Jonathan Friend;274070 wrote:Rookie Investor;274040 wrote:Shouldn't we all do our bit to reduce waste and unnecessary consumption? To become more efficient?.
I agree that we have moved on a lot since just a few decades ago, both in terms of improved technology and efficiency as well as better awareness and practices generally. And I understand sometimes regulation and governments can impose laws that are self defeating.
But despite all this efficiency we still have substantially rising consumption and polluting (CO2 and other things) and that's because of a combination of growing global population, rising middle class in emerging markets and a focus on GDP expansion by increasing the production of goods that can be consumed. This is the conflict which no government wants to admit.
Now we can all easily say that there is no evidence of human made climate change, or even if climate change is even a thing.
But can we not agree that this is about risk management? We don't know for sure, so surely some things should be done, just in case it is indeed a problem that humans can influence to try to resolve? And yes I agree that all that crap in the media and hypocrisy just doesn't serve any purpose, and probably makes things worse. What we need to do is take individual action. Without being hypocritical about it.
We can try to also improve efficiency further, but I suspect it won;t move the needle much if at all. We are bound by the laws of physics.
Isn't this what the COVID lock-downs were about? No one was really sure what would have happened if we let things run normally throughout 2020/21. But we had evidence from a Italy hospital for example. Some might say this was just conspiracy. But ultimately whether you believed it was conspiracy or not, you needed to manage the risk of the unknown.
You're basically supporting the Precautionary Principle.
'Better safe than sorry' is beguiling but carries significant risk of unintended consequences. (Plus in this case, maybe, a cover for intended nefarious consequences)
Covid in fact was a real life experiment - the initial lockdown (early 2020, UK), may well have been appropriate - largely due a failing NHS with minimal spare capacity - but it rapidly became clear that the risk was not in the least universal. The precautionary principle should have been robustly challenged by 'the science' and the decision makers as the fatality data came in. It wasn't, 'just in case' kept us locked down at vast cost, and we will be suffering the societal impacts of two more lockdowns for years to come. And the kids will have been hit the most.
https://www.aei.org/arti...iple-without-principle/
"While the advocates of the precautionary principle rely on the rhetoric of prudence and public health protection, they encourage the exclusive focus on one set of risks while ignoring others. Contrary to what your mother may have told you, “better safe than sorry” isn’t always safer. In fact, when it comes to policies to protect public health and the environment, this type of thinking could do us in."
Written 2007. But what happened when covid came along? A complete meltdown of process, an unholy alliance of 'the science', useless politicians, media, and, tbh, an anti-Boris blob. (How dreadfully parochial and irresponsible that lot were).
It's very hard not to see the exact same thing happening with global warming/ climate change/ climate crisis/ climate catastrophe.
The disparity between the shrieking hysteria and what people see around them is extraordinary, yet what do the 'experts' do? Shriek louder and colour their weather charts ever redder. Not a very effective communication technique.
Everyone knows UK has a miniscule affect on global emissions yet they see Khan and his ULEZ, they see jumped up local councillors taking the opportunity to save the world with 5 bins per household, and all the rest. (But potholes go unfilled)
Sea level is not 10 inches higher than it was within living memory. The weather is not significantly different. 'Record broken' is usually qualified 'since records began in 1997' etc
They hear the Maldives bleating about disappearing then see them building/ enlarging 7 airports. They hear Pakistan politicians demand reparations because the monsoon floods are more dramatic and wonder why no-one asks why the deforestation was allowed to facilitate the floods.
Ditto with Canada and badly maintained firebreaks in the forests.
The more the shrieking from medialand and 'science', the more the jumped up local idiots play God, the less people are going to listen.. and the whole circus ramps ever higher with rhetoric.
If we really have hit the end of times then nothing we do will make the slightest bit of difference. Let's party.
Or,....Take some deep breaths, calm down and lets see what can be done to mitigate without wrecking everything else in a stupid rush to revolution.
Many people, vested interests and organisations see this a chance to realign the globe more 'equitably' - reparations anyone?
Many others just want to upset the status quo (almost always lefty metro revolutionaries) just for the hell of it.
If you're asking for thoughtfulness and moderation, then I'm with you. But we'll be drowned out by the hysterical shrieking, I'm afraid.
Edit. I think cutting waste is fantastic btw. It would be fantastic to do away with single use plastics, most packaging etc. I hate seeing what we are doing to the natural world with waste and excrement.
I also think the IC engine has reached the end of its evolution and it's time for something else. I look forward to the next exciting propulsion system.
But no-one is going to expect me to comply with kneejerk political tricks designed to simply redistribute my 'wealth' nor ruin my families futures, under the guise of this stupidity.
Thirty years of apocalyptic and entirely wrong headlines ( the next ice age??) give me all I need to take that position.