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Climate Change - The Agenda
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 05 July 2022 22:43:40(UTC)
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https://twitter.com/EvaVlaar/sta...t=toZ6NIuOFkNQufxve8vTug

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The Dutch minister who pushed the nitrogen law that grants the government the power to expropriate our farmers’ land has a brother who owns online supermarket @picnic. Guess who invested $600 million in that company? Bill ‘fake meat’ Gates. This is what corruption looks like.
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Tim D
Posted: 06 July 2022 08:03:45(UTC)
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NoMoreKickingCans;229696 wrote:


Dutch farmers have got hold of a tank!
https://mobile.twitter.c...tus/1544465282957189120
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NoMoreKickingCans on 06/07/2022(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 06 July 2022 09:01:23(UTC)
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Tim D;229608 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;229606 wrote:
Go woke, go broke....


On the contrary...



I was really referring to the whole economy, not just the niche of green energy investment.

Green policies have brought about damage and destruction to the European steel industry, then the automotive industry and created energy dependence on rogue states leading to real hardship for it's citizens.

Now they are starting to attack European food production and security! Which will create millions of extra food-miles, loss of jobs and increased food prices. It is true insanity and is totally out of control.

Do you feel the green agenda has brought the economy/society to a better place? With sky energy costs and food inflation like nothing we have seen since WW2?
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Tim D
Posted: 07 July 2022 10:24:23(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;229727 wrote:
Tim D;229608 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;229606 wrote:
Go woke, go broke....

On the contrary...

I was really referring to the whole economy, not just the niche of green energy investment.

OK, I was being (slightly) flippant. Your post did prompt me to look at the performance of those sectors though; thought the chart was quite interesting.

ANDREW FOSTER;229727 wrote:
Green policies have brought about damage and destruction to the European steel industry, then the automotive industry and created energy dependence on rogue states leading to real hardship for it's citizens.

Now they are starting to attack European food production and security! Which will create millions of extra food-miles, loss of jobs and increased food prices. It is true insanity and is totally out of control.

Do you feel the green agenda has brought the economy/society to a better place? With sky energy costs and food inflation like nothing we have seen since WW2?


The fundamental problem - until recently - has been the complete lack of any real UK industrial strategy or (closely related) UK energy strategy. Cameron&Osborne's China infatuation was ultimately hugely damaging to the nuclear programme and lots of other "self-sufficient UK" agendas... a lost decade.

Even now, it's not clear whether what we have is more than just populist sound bites and "first order thinking" (ie not thinking through the implications of policies fully). e.g if I dig around https://www.gov.uk/gover...uks-industrial-strategy I can't easily find any comments about where the UK is supposed to get it's steel supply from.

(See also https://www.gov.uk/gover...nergy-security-strategy for energy. Main omission IMHO is tidal lagoons/barrages; shoulda built some while borrowing was dirt cheap... too late now.).

But we are where we are now. And from where we are now with renewables cheaper than fossil fuels it makes more sense to press ahead with those - see e.g
https://www.irena.org/ne...est-Fossil-Fuel-on-Cost
https://www.irena.org/ne...llow-To-Power-Past-Coal
and heaps of info at https://www.irena.org/costs
than go back to old polluting fossil tech. Certainly the transition could have been (and could still be) better managed though.
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ANDREW FOSTER on 07/07/2022(UTC), Nigel Harris on 14/07/2022(UTC), Guest on 19/07/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 07 July 2022 10:58:39(UTC)
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Tim D;229850 wrote:


The fundamental problem - until recently - has been the complete lack of any real UK industrial strategy or (closely related) UK energy strategy. Cameron&Osborne's China infatuation was ultimately hugely damaging to the nuclear programme and lots of other "self-sufficient UK" agendas... a lost decade.

Even now, it's not clear whether what we have is more than just populist sound bites and "first order thinking" (ie not thinking through the implications of policies fully). e.g if I dig around https://www.gov.uk/gover...uks-industrial-strategy I can't easily find any comments about where the UK is supposed to get it's steel supply from.

(See also https://www.gov.uk/gover...nergy-security-strategy for energy. Main omission IMHO is tidal lagoons/barrages; shoulda built some while borrowing was dirt cheap... too late now.).

But we are where we are now. And from where we are now with renewables cheaper than fossil fuels it makes more sense to press ahead with those - see e.g
https://www.irena.org/ne...est-Fossil-Fuel-on-Cost
https://www.irena.org/ne...llow-To-Power-Past-Coal
and heaps of info at https://www.irena.org/costs
than go back to old polluting fossil tech. Certainly the transition could have been (and could still be) better managed though.


I'd broadly agree with those observations.

I like wind and solar in principle, but they can't provide what is needed without storage and that is neither quick nor cheap to implement. So fossil and nuclear must stay in the mix for the next few decades.

But oil is needed for transport since EV's simply cannot provide for large scale goods transport (Electric lorries are just a non-starter and Hydrogen is laughable).

Plus the crucial fact that making EV's relies totally on supplies of rare earth metals that come from places like China, so a big risk of simply replacing "energy dependence" with "rare earth dependence". Not good.

I don't see the Ukraine situation going away any time soon, so Europe is faced with the urgent need to resolve the energy shortfall before this coming Winter, only a few months away. That means firing up the UK mothballed coal stations and extending the life of some nuclear stations. There is no other viable choice.

And medium term we must get rid of the obstacles to green energy in the UK, so remove the "ban" on on-shore wind and remove the 25 year "temporary planning permission" that discourages investment in wind and solar.

We also need to do fracking if we are to return to self sufficiency in gas. Because much of industry and millions of homes need gas.

Maybe a new PM will have these things on their agenda...?
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Posted: 07 July 2022 11:24:04(UTC)
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ANDREW FOSTER;229859 wrote:
I don't see the Ukraine situation going away any time soon


Indeed that "British energy security strategy" document was only rushed out in April, and probably in more optimistic times that the conflict would be over quickly and everything would be back to normal and we'd have more time to address this at our leisure (or more likely be able to comfortably slide back into old kindness-of-strangers reliance on foreign supplies).

What's really appalling was that there was nothing like that written down before. At least now there's something which other policies can be tested against whether they work with or against this strategy and which the economists can pronounce on whether they're too little too late and so on. And whether fracking is in our out of it should be clear (assuming the policy is kept up to date as official thinking evolves). Eisenhower's "Plans are worthless, but planning is everything" principle strongly applies; it's good that this stuff is finally getting talked about. (I think the Tories have strong "leave it to the market" instincts and are naturally reluctant to be seen to be doing anything which looks like the thin end of the wedge to nationalisation. But it's clear that "leave it to the market" largely just leads to "buy it cheap from abroad even if that becomes a systemic risk".)

Interesting read (bringing it back to personal rather that national benefit) at
https://www.schroders.co...litics-hampered-policy/
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The infrastructure that will be needed to be delivered to secure these objectives will need to be financed, largely by the private sector. This should provide plentiful opportunities to invest in household, local and national infrastructure on a huge scale. The good news is that the politics of low-cost energy now align with secure income, long-duration, inflation-linked investments that so many investors are searching for.


ANDREW FOSTER;229859 wrote:
Maybe a new PM will have these things on their agenda...?


They'd be very foolish if this wasn't near the top of it. How people feel their standard of living has changed over the time between now and the next election (assuming 2024) will likely determine whether they have any chance of getting another term or not.
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ANDREW FOSTER on 07/07/2022(UTC), Nigel Harris on 11/12/2022(UTC)
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Posted: 07 July 2022 22:20:41(UTC)
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I still haven't observed any evidence at all of a climate crisis or emergency. Just another British summer here, some nice days, others a bit on the cold side, as much cloud and rain as sun. 1995 was a much hotter and drier summer than this. I went for a walk earlier. Didn't feel dangerous at all. I wasn't afraid of the climate being in an emergency or a crisis state. Mainly because it isn't.

This is all just one of the many ways that your wealth is being confiscated. Keep licking it up, like the nice TV people told you to.
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NoMoreKickingCans on 09/07/2022(UTC), Adam Johnson on 09/07/2022(UTC), stephen_s on 09/07/2022(UTC)
NoMoreKickingCans
Posted: 09 July 2022 09:51:22(UTC)
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The WEF continues to drive through reductions in food production...

https://thecountersignal.com/tru...cimate-canadian-farming/

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/...-mass-european-protests/

Meanwhile I can see no coverage of this on the BBC (oh not more censorship as they did with the mass covid freedom demonstrations) !?

And of course Bill Gates is now the largest single owner of framland in the US and continues to buy more. Funny how he bought into mRNA vaccine companies just before a global pandemic. Funny how he also invests in artificial meat companies.
https://childrenshealthdefense.o...u-to-eat-lab-grown-meat/

Brave New World is here - you don’t get a choice, it isn’t about you, it is about the WEF elite imposing themselves over the earth.
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 09 July 2022 10:16:40(UTC)
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NoMoreKickingCans;230115 wrote:


On this I agree. Netherlands have already introduced this type of law. The result will, without doubt lower food production against a rising world population.

But what it really signals is a shift away from pastoral farming to arable to meet the targets.

If you introduce a law saying "we are lowering pollution", everyone cheers.

If you present it as "we will make meat so expensive it will turn you vegetarian", then not so much.

And that is the real agenda in this.
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Posted: 14 July 2022 11:49:29(UTC)
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BBC Weather charts from years ago and from today...

Pushing a narrative regardless of the facts, distortion and lies...



You are being nudged by a psychological operation...
https://lauradodsworth.substack....t-is-nudging-to-net-zero
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