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lenahan
Posted: 31 August 2023 01:13:48(UTC)

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If i was buying a new house it would either be by a local small developer that had a reputation for building quality homes and at the right market price points or by somebody who knew what they were doing with their own self build.

Reading this thread makes me realise how this is one area of life where I am spoilt amongst extended family members: Dad was a contract manager in the commercial construction industy but also picked up a few trade skills in his younger days and could easily do his own brick laying for a garden wall or a bit of simple plumbing. His brother was a carpenter by trade when young but ended up as a project manager for a number of the big house builders and my younger brother is now himself a project manager for a tier 1 commercial construction contractor. Between them there is both a wealth of knowledge and a multitude of good contacts.

OP where in the country are you based?
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Sara G
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I agree with NMKC regarding using a project manager. I might have spared myself some of the hell I'm currently going through. True, it's an added cost, but I suspect they pay for themselves in terms of getting the project over the line in a reasonable timeframe, not to mention the preservation of one's mental health.

Interesting, yet depressing comments regarding new builds. I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference between a good quality job and a poor one, which I'm sure is true of most people, and how the developers get away with it.
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When you have never had building work before nothing can quite prepare you for the sheer number of issues that get thrown up. And the tendency for everyone to hand them over to the end customer to solve - often the one person with the least prior knowledge of the area concerned. And the fact you will get 5 different opinions on how to resolve every issue. And some actors will be trying to work an angle in their favour whenever an issue occurs. And builders and the trades love to raise issues at the last moment and immediately propose a resolution that favours them and pressurise the customer to accept it ‘or we can’t get on’, ‘I’ll have to reschedule’. FFS you have had the drawings and spec for 12 months, why are you only raising the issue on the day itself, but then they often don’t read the spec and don’t always look at the drawings.
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Jonathan Friend
Posted: 31 August 2023 13:26:00(UTC)

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Sara G;277897 wrote:
I agree with NMKC regarding using a project manager. I might have spared myself some of the hell I'm currently going through. True, it's an added cost, but I suspect they pay for themselves in terms of getting the project over the line in a reasonable timeframe, not to mention the preservation of one's mental health.

Interesting, yet depressing comments regarding new builds. I'm not sure I'd be able to tell the difference between a good quality job and a poor one, which I'm sure is true of most people, and how the developers get away with it.


Being able to punch your way through a wall is one sign, but might not go down well on the viewing. My early 1960s house, for all its foibles, my electrician described as "the fortress", as chasing new wires through the walls was apparently a bone breaking experience, although he was doing that in an old fashioned way for some reason, I think to avoid excessive mess. He was one of the good guys I've dealt with.

Another anecdote recently came from a family member who is a quantity surveyor for a big house builder. They discovered, as an apartment building was under construction in London that, from the communal hallways, it would be possible for an intruder to break through the walls into apartments, using an axe or similar. The building had all the right amount of insulation and appropriate structural soundness etc to pass muster, but would've included this security flaw nonetheless. They resolved it by running plywood boards through the walls as well as the insulation to provide more of a barrier...

There are definitely good examples of new builds, but as suggested, will likely depend on the type of builder and the nature of the development, and will be added to the end cost to the buyer.

Housing isn't a very fun story in this country a lot of the time, especially considering what it costs. I can't see it getting better for the foreseeable.
SF100
Posted: 31 August 2023 15:20:31(UTC)

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Jonathan Friend;277913 wrote:
Another anecdote recently came from a family member who is a quantity surveyor for a big house builder. They discovered, as an apartment building was under construction in London that, from the communal hallways, it would be possible for an intruder to break through the walls into apartments, using an axe or similar. The building had all the right amount of insulation and appropriate structural soundness etc to pass muster, but would've included this security flaw nonetheless. They resolved it by running plywood boards through the walls as well as the insulation to provide more of a barrier...
I do hope it was axe-resistant plywood....
What about the windows, did they spray them with peppermint oil in case spidermen decided they fancied a new TV?
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Mentioning plywood...

Does anyone know how to deal with plywood where the edge has got damp and it has some rot/mold ?

My building work has a warm roof with a plywood deck underneath the insulation. The plywood deck runs out to the very edge of the roof where it then has 7 X 2 timber on top to form the edge/fascia of the roof. Unfortunately I have just now discovered there is a problem in the edge of the plywood sheets. I thought I had protected them from rain water by taping around the edges with aluminium tape. Now it seems some water must have got in behind the tape and the tape has trapped it in the plywood edge. I have pulled the tape off immediately so it can dry out over the coming warm days - but what can I do to deal with the damp/rot/mold at the edges ?

I will be calling my structural engineer on monday, but perhaps someone has some advice ?
(Other than get a builder that knows how to build)

Tug Boat
Posted: 02 September 2023 16:55:31(UTC)

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Wet plywood is almost certainly a wipe out. If you can dry it out something like Sadolin may give you a few years.

It’s really for internal use in the dry. MDF and chipboard are fun when they get wet and those skirting boards made of mush which I have next to a shower are shite.

There’s a row of houses just down the road, built about 1840 with the original windows. They are being painted at the mo. Talking to the builder, he said they are fooked. However 200 years of treated pine tells us something. Sills we’re beach tho by the look.
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NMKC, what kind of plywood is it? If it is marine plywood (as I think mine will be) then you may find that once the edges have dried out it is OK. Possibly any mold could be sprayed with something? Can you check what materials were specified on the BREGs drawing? If they have used the wrong type of plywood it's better to find out sooner rather than later. Building Control may be able to advise, if not the SE.
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Hilda Ogden
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NoMoreKickingCans;278131 wrote:
Mentioning plywood...

Does anyone know how to deal with plywood where the edge has got damp and it has some rot/mold ?

My building work has a warm roof with a plywood deck underneath the insulation. The plywood deck runs out to the very edge of the roof where it then has 7 X 2 timber on top to form the edge/fascia of the roof. Unfortunately I have just now discovered there is a problem in the edge of the plywood sheets. I thought I had protected them from rain water by taping around the edges with aluminium tape. Now it seems some water must have got in behind the tape and the tape has trapped it in the plywood edge. I have pulled the tape off immediately so it can dry out over the coming warm days - but what can I do to deal with the damp/rot/mold at the edges ?

I will be calling my structural engineer on monday, but perhaps someone has some advice ?
(Other than get a builder that knows how to build)


If you can thoroughly dry the plywood, and you must to prevent further deterioration. I recommend this product it does work, but I guess it depends how far the wood has deteriorated already.

https://www.ronseal.com/...893eda8aa6/Clear/~/250ml
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