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Toadfish
Posted: 09 July 2024 10:48:51(UTC)
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Robert D;311375 wrote:
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Robert D;311358 wrote:
ANDREW FOSTER;311337 wrote:





IHT is a voluntary tax - it's easily avoided with a little planning.



Rubbish, if you're single with no children, you're not only screwed but discriminated against...

EDIT: A family of 2.4 can pass on up to a million, a single person can only pass on £325k. My two bed flat, in the farthest outreach of greater London, blows that out of the water (very little capital gain) meaning everything else I've saved gets hit.

Really annoys me the state thinks they can take the money I've earned and paid tax on already. I'm hoping to give my money to a friends young daughters as they don't have much themselves, I'll decide who to distribute my money to not the corrupt politicians thanks (rant over).



Move to a cheaper area or downsize, release equity and hand the money over in the girls' lifetimes - which I'm sure they'd appreciate more than when you'd passed away, plus it would give you more pleasure - or donate the money to good causes and/or charities.. The joy of givjng. Alternatively spend the money and treat yourself. Why sit on an asset when you don't need the money? If you don't need it get rid of it



Downsize.....its a 2 bed flat, what would you like me to downsize to, a park bench!?

I'm 47, I'm not handing over assets I will need in the future to pay for my care (if labour haven't helped themselves to it beforehand). I don't have a crystal ball so no idea how long I've got on this planet, could be today could be in 40 years time, the point is its my money, I should be the only one who decides where it gets distributed.

A state that relies on taxing dead people is, IMO, a failed, desperate one...
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Tim D
Posted: 09 July 2024 13:11:12(UTC)
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Toadfish;311382 wrote:
A state that relies on taxing dead people is, IMO, a failed, desperate one...


According to https://obr.uk/forecasts...-spend/inheritance-tax/
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In 2024-25 we forecast that IHT will raise £7.5 billion. This represents 0.7 per cent of all receipts and is equivalent to 0.3 per cent of national income.

So the state is hardly "relying" on grave robbing. Sucks to be one of the minority being robbed of course (even if it falls into the "nice problem to have" class).
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Toadfish
Posted: 09 July 2024 13:27:51(UTC)
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Tim D;311407 wrote:
Toadfish;311382 wrote:
A state that relies on taxing dead people is, IMO, a failed, desperate one...


According to https://obr.uk/forecasts...-spend/inheritance-tax/
Quote:
In 2024-25 we forecast that IHT will raise £7.5 billion. This represents 0.7 per cent of all receipts and is equivalent to 0.3 per cent of national income.

So the state is hardly "relying" on grave robbing. Sucks to be one of the minority being robbed of course (even if it falls into the "nice problem to have" class).


If it barely brings anything in and we're not reliant on it then there is no issue in abolishing it................
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jeffian
Posted: 09 July 2024 14:32:55(UTC)
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"IHT is a voluntary tax - it's easily avoided with a little planning."

That old canard - so often trotted out - makes me bristle. Yes, there are some enormous estates held in Trust for generations which are not bothered by IHT and there are modest estates that can bring themselves within allowable limits but for those of us in between, it can only be mitigated to some extent but rarely, if ever, avoided. Setting up Trusts now is a bit of a nightmare, doesn't avoid IHT altogether as it can be charged both at inception and on subsequent 10-year valuations for amounts over the nil-rate band, and are taxed unattractively on income and distributions; it is almost impossible to shelter the family home if you intend to go on living in it; the widely-misunderstood '7-year rule' only affects gifts above the £325k per person nil-rate band and the Main Residence Relief drops away for estates of £2m+ (which, as someone pointed out above, equates to a modest London townhouse).

When it comes to mitigation, the 2 key things you need to know are the date of your death and what it will cost you to live if you need care. In other words, the suggestion is that you give away all your 'surplus' wealth without having any idea of how much you might need.

Yes, this is a '1st World' problem and can invite a 'you should be so lucky' response, but please, please stop telling me it's "voluntary".
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chazza
Posted: 10 July 2024 10:41:34(UTC)
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IHT - and the efforts to avoid it - unnecessarily add to our problems.

Neighbour has reached the point where her sole-occupied 4-bed house (badly in need of thorough renovation) has become too much for her. But her sole heir, who is her guardian, has resisted her moving somewhere more suitable because 'the house would deteriorate' if she vacated it. But perhaps also because if she sold it, his bill for the IHT on her estate would be increased by at least £140k…

The present system is cumbersome and inequitable, penalising the heirs of those who do not leave a house to a direct descendent, and leading those who do into complicated attempts to minimise the IHT liability. Better, surely, simply to raise the IHT threshold to (at least) £500k per person.

I know several people who are hanging on to houses larger than they need or want just to avoid taxes. Simplifying the tax regime would help to solve the more serious social problem of the lack of sufficient decent family housing.
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Tim D
Posted: 10 July 2024 14:16:38(UTC)
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Seems to me the £175K "Residence nil-rate band" is a big part of the problem. Having one particular asset class which enjoys special status is bound to create all sorts of odd consequences. I get the sentimentality about "the family home" it was supposed to pander to - as if we all lived like landed gentry with stately mansions to preserve on down the generations - but it'd make far more sense to just fold it into a £500K total and let people downsize without compromising their IHT position too much (even so, there'd be the issue the capital released would potentially attract more CGT than a principal residence over the remaining years... but sensible deployment into buy-and-hold investments by the elderly might defer paying any until capital uplift on death makes it an IHT problem instead, the same as it would have been with the original property assuming similar growth rates).
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Rookie Investor
Posted: 10 July 2024 17:04:12(UTC)
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Yes the residence nil band is silly and I would like to see a simple £500k per person threshold irrespective of asset type.

As a person without children, I have a paltry £325k threshold should I die, and is one of the few reasons I do not work any more as a young retiree. If I were to die today my estate would pay multiple 100s of thousands in IHT. I had been a 40% tax payer for most of my working life in order to retiree early (and not contribute much to pensions for tax saving) so have vasts amounts in taxes and would hate for my estate to pay significant amounts.
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Dexi
Posted: 10 July 2024 18:52:46(UTC)
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Get married - simple solution . Find a dolly bird 40 yrs your junior and deprive the tax man of his £££££ s ....:)
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Dentmaster
Posted: 10 July 2024 22:07:13(UTC)
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Or two
Sara G
Posted: 10 July 2024 23:28:22(UTC)
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Marriage is an extreme penance for the sake of avoiding tax! If you have no dependents you could leave it all to charity - that's my plan, if I have anything left.

The problem with including the family home in the estate is that differences in property values in different parts of the country lead to a disparity in outcomes. I would have been heartbroken if I had had to sell my mother's (and my former) home to pay IHT. It isn't just large estates that people want to keep in the family.

Some might think I shouldn't care what happens to my assets after my demise, but there is something wrong with taking part of someone's money and property on death - it's confiscation, not taxation. It's as if property rights have an expiration date, and as far as the state is concerned, we never really own anything, even if we have earned it and paid taxes on it. And I get that some people don't have much to leave, but that doesn't make it right to take from those who do.

Of course there's no chance of IHT being abolished for the foreseeable future, quite the reverse.

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