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Keith Cobby
Posted: 15 February 2024 10:20:05(UTC)
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Sunak and other ultra wealthy people like him are tax arbitrageurs, they will quickly move to more favourable locations. Similarly, the brightest and most productive middle income professionals are moving to other countries which levy little or no income tax. This explains why GDP is flatlining and GDP per capita is declining while the population is increasing. Making fewer workers pay more tax while millions of people are idle is why we are where we are, but why work if you don't need to. I suppose we could reimpose exchange controls to stop Sunak and his ilk from leaving, but I have a hunch this just might create other problems. Laffer rules, ok!
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philip gosling
Posted: 15 February 2024 10:20:22(UTC)
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There is a lot of envy around.

When I go to the pub and buy a pint I expect to pay the same as the next person, same when I buy groceries and other items in my local shop. To be fair everyone must pay some tax or you get millions getting housing, food etc free. We are an over crowded island that has a housing shortage that seems to increase its population by over 1 million every year while only building 220,000 houses.

Putting vat on food would mean everyone has to pay rich and unemployed/poor and might bring in more tax. The Rolling Stones never returned as tax payers to UK nor did other groups and wealthy people after Labour's "tax them till the pips squeak" so billions £ lost to UK HMRC.
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Jonathan Friend
Posted: 15 February 2024 10:42:34(UTC)
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Yes, well envy has always been at the root of the socialist mission. And the results are probably why the ancients defined it as a deadly sin.

Anyway, whether we get Uniparty Blue or Uniparty Red at the next election won't make much difference. Between them, they've been wrecking the country for decades.

Now we are in a "technical recession", which is clown world, treasury speak for: we can't hide the obvious anymore. GDP per capita flat lining for the past 20 years, sky high national debt, a debased currency, mountains of regulation, high taxes, ongoing inflation, and the net zero nuttiness driving what industry we have to other countries. Then there is the absolutely vast public sector, hoovering up labour to do fake work that is ultimately damaging to the fabric of society.

All allied to decades of anti-natalism and unrestricted mass colonisation. You become what you import: a low-IQ, low skill, low effort, low trust nation of sly, surly shirkers.

There's no quarter-of-one-percent tweak here or there that can fix this now. And anybody who is mad enough to think either of the main political parties can make this better might as well be a dribbling loony in a mental asylum.
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Newbie
Posted: 15 February 2024 12:04:23(UTC)
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Robert D;296341 wrote:
Sunak's tax rate and that of tens of thousands like him matters because it's another indication of the wealthy in the UK avoidng tax and not paying their fair share. The economy is in recession because interest rates are too high and should not have been raised in the first place because inflation was always going to come down naturally.


(a) Sunak's tax rate and that of tens of thousands like him matters because it's another indication of the wealthy in the UK avoidng tax and not paying their fair share.
So how do you define the increasing population (which statistics put down as ageing who but majority pay tax on their pensions), along with the shed load of people on benefits and thus increasing government costs as ?

(b)The economy is in recession because interest rates are too high and should not have been raised in the first place because inflation was always going to come down naturally.
Really !! So why are people moaning about the cost of living crisis and ensuing chaos in the country. Middle income I get due to cost of housing but low income people ?
Thrugelmir
Posted: 15 February 2024 12:36:42(UTC)
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GDP is a number for polticians. Waffle away for hours. Actually meaningless to the man on the street.
Robert D
Posted: 15 February 2024 19:59:00(UTC)
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Keith Cobby;296342 wrote:
Sunak and other ultra wealthy people like him are tax arbitrageurs, they will quickly move to more favourable locations. Similarly, the brightest and most productive middle income professionals are moving to other countries which levy little or no income tax. This explains why GDP is flatlining and GDP per capita is declining while the population is increasing. Making fewer workers pay more tax while millions of people are idle is why we are where we are, but why work if you don't need to. I suppose we could reimpose exchange controls to stop Sunak and his ilk from leaving, but I have a hunch this just might create other problems. Laffer rules, ok!



Treasury insiders say if it had not been for a big influx of migrants the headline GDP figures would have been even worse. Meanwhile, the GDP per capita figures were gloomier still.

Jonathan Friend
Posted: 15 February 2024 21:25:18(UTC)
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Robert D;296409 wrote:
Keith Cobby;296342 wrote:
Sunak and other ultra wealthy people like him are tax arbitrageurs, they will quickly move to more favourable locations. Similarly, the brightest and most productive middle income professionals are moving to other countries which levy little or no income tax. This explains why GDP is flatlining and GDP per capita is declining while the population is increasing. Making fewer workers pay more tax while millions of people are idle is why we are where we are, but why work if you don't need to. I suppose we could reimpose exchange controls to stop Sunak and his ilk from leaving, but I have a hunch this just might create other problems. Laffer rules, ok!



Treasury insiders say if it had not been for a big influx of migrants the headline GDP figures would have been even worse. Meanwhile, the GDP per capita figures were gloomier still.



So GDP per capita improves when you import millions of low wage immigrants? Got a source?

We will ignore, for now, the devastating effect on public services, housing supply, and the public purse of having so many newcomers who are net takers from the exchequer.
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DIY Investing
Posted: 15 February 2024 21:45:23(UTC)
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Red commies or blue commies….still makes no difference. Labour will do exactly as the Tories would have done….OK maybe a bit more woke (but not much more). Maybe under Labour we’ll all have to have ‘Trans Tuesdays’ or something where we all have to dress as the opposite sex. It would be worth it to see the fake conservatives get a bloody nose!

But this country is f**ked. There is no coming back for us now. Actually, if the EU does end up getting swamped by right wing ‘populists’ over the next couple of years, I’d be in favour of rejoining!
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 15 February 2024 22:08:59(UTC)
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DIY Investing;296417 wrote:


But this country is f**ked. There is no coming back for us now.


What state is the US in then? An emerging market that's never quite managed to mature. Capitalism gone wrong.
DIY Investing
Posted: 15 February 2024 22:23:58(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;296418 wrote:
DIY Investing;296417 wrote:


But this country is f**ked. There is no coming back for us now.


What state is the US in then? An emerging market that's never quite managed to mature. Capitalism gone wrong.


Yes the US is also in bad shape. We all are (‘We’ being ‘the west’)

It’s just that everyone else is waking up and we aren’t. Everyone else still has a bit of fight left. People in the US, Sweden, the Netherlands, Italy, France, bloody hell even Germany are still trying to fight back. The most rebellious thing the people of the UK can come up with is to vote Labour!

We’re done. Forget our history. After years of indoctrination, few want it anyway. It’s over (speaking as a once proud Brit).
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