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Vanguard LifeStrategy 60% Equity
Thrugelmir
Posted: 03 May 2024 13:19:08(UTC)
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Collie;304542 wrote:
I last invested in VLS 60 about 15 months ago when the price was c.11% cheaper but ive just come in to a small inheritance, £18k. I'm wondering whether to just plough back in or would this be poor practice? I realise if i'd just drip fed in for the last 15 months, say £500 per month, things would have been better but..!
Ive also considered the HSBC balanced equivalent! Are the VLS and HSBC 60/40's at about a similar level cost and performance wise? I realise Vanguard lifestrategy is more UK biased! I'm just wondering which the better option is to avoid me spoiling any decent work my VLS 60 has done so for regarding personal rate of return, Thanks! Retired, age 62 and probably just happy to keep up with inflation for 10 years or so!


If you want to sleep easily at night then VLS60 is a sound investment. There's no harm in drip feeding money in. Though longer term lump sum investment is deemed the better method. As the underlying investments will generating income that will constantly be being reinvested. That's where much of the overall return is generated in the longer term. As for "UK bias" hopefully you fully understand the topic. As it must rank as one the longest standing myths on social media. Miscomprehension being off the scale.
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Harry Trout
Posted: 26 June 2024 07:50:20(UTC)
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I use LifeStrategy 60% as a benchmark for my 50%:50% portfolio and a challenge I regularly pose is "why wouldn't you put all your pot in LS60?".

To delve into this I've pulled together some historical performance statistics using every month end price on the accumulation units from when the fund first started in June 2011. Source: Vanguard website (excellent data export by the way in "Professional Investors" tab)

LS60% V2

So for example, in my 3 year figures above there are 120 3-year periods using month ends since June 2011. There has never been a negative 3 year spell on that basis and in fact the worst you would have got is 1.0% per annum. The best you would have got is 11.4% per annum.

I'm going to let this sit and swirl for a while but immediate reactions are:

1. This looks like a solid set of numbers (noting the equity bull run of course)
2. 7% per annum is decently more than I need not to run out of money

Anyway, sharing here, hope it is of interest to some
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Rob B
Posted: 26 June 2024 08:32:58(UTC)
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Good thread, Harry. Shows the value of looking beyond the noise and short-term market moves.

For an investor that doesn't have much interest in investing, VLS60 is an excellent choice. Vanguard tends not to faff around with the underlying holdings too much. It's about as diversified as you can get. OK, there isn't much Fama and French excitement in small cap holdings, but VLS60 holds nigh on 30,000 assets.

That is a lot of diversification.... The home bias is possibly a mix of 'this is what investors are telling us they want' and 'more use of the £ as underlying currency'. Pros and cons of course.

I forget the figure but overseas earning of 'UK listed' companies is something like 75%+. Home bias just means listing location in London; it doesn't mean it's totally tied to the success of the UK economy.
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Harry Trout
Posted: 26 June 2024 09:48:29(UTC)
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Rob B;309762 wrote:
Good thread, Harry. Shows the value of looking beyond the noise and short-term market moves.

Thanks Rob, yes if you have the discipline not to tinker and stay the course then there are worse calls than 100% in LS60 and leave it to do the business.

However, I don't underestimate how hard that can be and I think that's why xxd09 gets a lot of respect on the forum.

By way of further information, I ran the following chart which double checks the long term average figure of 7.1% per annum that I got from my number crunching in the previous post ......

LS60% Chart
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Posted: 26 June 2024 11:10:05(UTC)
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Harry, interesting thread so thankyou for your efforts, would it be possible for you to post an annualised returns summary as in your post #41 for Vanguard SustainableLife 60-70 fund? Not so much data available yet but I've recently began a small position which I'm adding to, I like the fact that its actively run to a small degree compared to LS60.
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 26 June 2024 12:20:24(UTC)
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What does the 20 year chart look like? 2011 is in the early days of QE. Bonds as a consequence benefited for the next decade.
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Posted: 26 June 2024 13:52:30(UTC)
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Every sensible voice in my head reads this and thinks just put the lot in this fund and get on with life.

For some reason I keep procrastinating.

Harry I bloody hate you for bumping the thread 😁
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Posted: 26 June 2024 14:11:37(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;309795 wrote:
What does the 20 year chart look like? 2011 is in the early days of QE. Bonds as a consequence benefited for the next decade.


Bit difficult as VLS60 wasn't launched until June 2011
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Thrugelmir
Posted: 26 June 2024 14:59:22(UTC)
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Evies Dad;309804 wrote:
Thrugelmir;309795 wrote:
What does the 20 year chart look like? 2011 is in the early days of QE. Bonds as a consequence benefited for the next decade.


Bit difficult as VLS60 wasn't launched until June 2011


Thanks for reminding me. Launched with a real fan fare to. As with all investment fads eventually become cyclical.
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Posted: 26 June 2024 15:08:46(UTC)
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Evies Dad;309804 wrote:
Thrugelmir;309795 wrote:
What does the 20 year chart look like? 2011 is in the early days of QE. Bonds as a consequence benefited for the next decade.


Bit difficult as VLS60 wasn't launched until June 2011


We can look for a proxy with a longer record though... VLS60 sits in the "IA Mixed Investment 40-85% Shares" sector, and charting (total return) that too over the history of the UK VLS60 gives this (the IA line is the cap-weighted average of all the funds in that sector):
VLS60 vs IA sector
(Also added CPI + 3% & CPI + 4% lines just to give a sense of real terms returns).

So VLS60 looks like it behaves a lot like "IA Mixed Investment 40-85% Shares" but has outperformed that "index" by ~0.2%-0.3%pa in recent history, and 1.1%pa over a decade... I'd guess because of things like it being cheaper than the industry average (pumped up by active management OCFs) and having less home bias than most funds in that IA sector (the impact becoming less more recently as the rest of the industry has caught up with Vanguard on fees and asset allocation). But it's just a guess.

Over the longer term, we can't chart VLS60 but trustnet can chart "IA Mixed Investment 40-85% Shares" back to 1990 (NB different colours to above chart):
IA sector long term
If it had been possible to buy VLS60 back in 1990 and its behaviour compared to "IA Mixed Investment 40-85% Shares" had been much the same as it was in the last decade, then it seems not unreasonable to conclude that VLS60 would have ended up somewhere near the red CPI+4% line.
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