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Tim Hale Global Tilted Portfolio 60 & 80
ben ski
Posted: 13 September 2024 19:24:05(UTC)
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Cm258;315612 wrote:

What's the difference between a value tilt, and say tilting towards quality/quality dividend growth/equal weight?


I think the problem is how we define value. In Graham's era, people had only just started looking at metrics. Today, when a stock's trading on a low PE multiple, there's a good chance it's doing so for a reason: bad management, shrinking earnings, etc. So it's not necessarily 'good value'.

Value ETFs are typically impure implementations. It usually means an overweight to lower quality, cyclical earnings – financials, mining stocks.. Historic value outperformance is no smarter to bed on than any other stock screen. The risk is we just pick the ones that happened to produce interesting results.

Equal weight is just a way of lessening the effect of cap-weighting – which doesn't necessarily make sense. Quality and dividend growth won't necessarily outperform, but do overweight stocks more likely to ride out a recession, and underweight the more speculative. So Quality could enable a portfolio to take more market risk.
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Posted: 21 October 2024 18:51:08(UTC)
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Figures are to 18/10/2024.

Tim Hale Global Tilt 60 Vs Vanguard LS60 cumulative performance
1 month - 2.0% Vs 2.1%
3 month - 3.7% Vs 3.1%
6 month - 7.2% Vs 7.5%
1 year - 17.4% Vs 16.9%

Tim Hale Global Tilt 80 Vs Vanguard LS80 cumulative performance
1 month - 2.9% Vs 3.1%
3 month - 4.2% Vs 3.6%
6 month - 8.7% Vs 8.4%
1 year - 21.1% Vs 19.3%

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malc1111 on 27/10/2024(UTC)
ben ski
Posted: 21 October 2024 19:07:06(UTC)
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Cm258;323011 wrote:

Figures are to 18/10/2024.

Tim Hale Global Tilt 60 Vs Vanguard LS60 cumulative performance
1 month - 2.0% Vs 2.1%
3 month - 3.7% Vs 3.1%
6 month - 7.2% Vs 7.5%
1 year - 17.4% Vs 16.9%

Tim Hale Global Tilt 80 Vs Vanguard LS80 cumulative performance
1 month - 2.9% Vs 3.1%
3 month - 4.2% Vs 3.6%
6 month - 8.7% Vs 8.4%
1 year - 21.1% Vs 19.3%


The thing with factors is their performance is quite linked to the economic regime we're in – what's happening with rates, growth, inflation, etc. So over a year – even 5 years – I think any differences between TH and VLS will just be noise.

TH's bond allocations also don't look very optimal. I think McQ on Bogleheads did a good deep dive on what really diversifies equities and improves portfolios (if I recall: TIPS). I don't think VLS is optimal either – it's unnecessarily complex, and all you're really doing is drawing arbitrary lines through stock and bond markets exposures, and juggling things around for no obvious benefit.


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Posted: 21 October 2024 20:11:13(UTC)
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Cm258;323011 wrote:

Figures are to 18/10/2024.

Tim Hale Global Tilt 60 Vs Vanguard LS60 cumulative performance
1 month - 2.0% Vs 2.1%
3 month - 3.7% Vs 3.1%
6 month - 7.2% Vs 7.5%
1 year - 17.4% Vs 16.9%

Tim Hale Global Tilt 80 Vs Vanguard LS80 cumulative performance
1 month - 2.9% Vs 3.1%
3 month - 4.2% Vs 3.6%
6 month - 8.7% Vs 8.4%
1 year - 21.1% Vs 19.3%



The fairly narrow differential appears to reflect the concentration of companies which are generating stock market positivity. As sales growth and profit in the these stocks deacelerates in the these stocks. There might be far greater divergence in returns.
Cm258
Posted: 27 November 2024 12:53:46(UTC)
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Figures are to 26/11/2024.

Tim Hale Global Tilt 60 Vs Vanguard LS60 cumulative performance
1 month - 3.0% Vs 2.5%
3 month - 4.5% Vs 3.6%
6 month - 7.1% Vs 6.3%
1 year - 16.3% Vs 16.2%

Tim Hale Global Tilt 80 Vs Vanguard LS80 cumulative performance
1 month - 4.4% Vs 3.3%
3 month - 6.4% Vs 5.1%
6 month - 9.0% Vs 7.3%
1 year - 20.7% Vs 19.8%

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Posted: 27 November 2024 13:10:51(UTC)
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Have you compared to HSBC Global Strategy?

Asking because as much as I think LifeStrategy are fine for a lot of people it seems you're comparing a global tilt with a UK tilt? :)
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Cm258
Posted: 27 November 2024 17:11:39(UTC)
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Aminatidi;327038 wrote:
Have you compared to HSBC Global Strategy?

Asking because as much as I think LifeStrategy are fine for a lot of people it seems you're comparing a global tilt with a UK tilt? :)


Figures are to 26/11/2024.

Tim Hale Global Tilt 60 Vs HSBC Global Strategy Balanced cumulative performance
1 month - 3.0% Vs 2.4%
3 month - 4.5% Vs 4.4%
6 month - 7.1% Vs 7.6%
1 year - 16.3% Vs 16.8%

A different outcome. I can add a comparison to:

- Vanguard LifeStrategy 60
- HSBC Global Strategy Balanced
- Fidelity Multi Asset Allocator Growth

Which are three funds I was tempted with initially.
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Posted: 27 November 2024 17:55:22(UTC)
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Thank you and no need it just struck me that if Hale is a tilt on a "neutral" portfolio LifeStrategy isn't neutral either so you'd think any "gap" would be skewed a little👍🏻
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Cm258 on 27/11/2024(UTC)
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Posted: 27 November 2024 18:38:43(UTC)
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Aminatidi;327071 wrote:
Thank you and no need it just struck me that if Hale is a tilt on a "neutral" portfolio LifeStrategy isn't neutral either so you'd think any "gap" would be skewed a little👍🏻


Yes, Hale suggests there is a premium in small caps and value stocks, hence the 'tilt'. So technically it and LS60 are 'tilted'.

I'm sure a lot will say 'is the juice worth the squeeze' and why don't I just go with one or all of the three funds listed in my previous post. But now it's setup I will rebalance annually and there's no other bother.
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ben ski
Posted: 27 November 2024 21:56:44(UTC)
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I think the portfolios look alright .. It will take another 30-40 years before you've got enough forward-testing to really make a meaningful conclusion, as everything certainly within 10-15 years is just random.

I like that the bond allocation is just government bonds. That's in line with the evidence. I think the value and small-cap tilts are a waste of time. The 'small cap premium' never existed – it was just bad data. And value is still debatable, but every ETF that tracks it arbitrages away whatever there may be left of it.

What would've really made it do better, that there's plenty of backtest data to support, would be a 10-20% allocation to gold. I also don't think Vanguard or HSBC's portfolios make a whole lot of sense. I think they're unnecessarily complicated. VWRL and 10 year treasuries is hard to beat over meaningful periods, and I'd add 5-10% gold anyway, even if you can argue it's expensive.
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