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Vanguard LifeStrategy 80% Equity
Harry Trout
Posted: 09 September 2024 06:33:38(UTC)
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I thought I would share some number crunching that I have done on this fund.

From the Vanguard website I’ve scheduled the month end price for the accumulation version for every month since inception in June 2011 and here are the results:

VLS 80%

So, to illustrate, looking at the 3 year column there have been 124 3-year periods since June 2011 using month ends. The average 3 year return per annum for those 124 periods has been 8.7% with corresponding standard deviation of 3 year return of 2.8% per annum.

The worst 3 year period was 1.1% per annum (3 years ended 31/03/20 - Covid dip) and the best was 14.6% per annum (3 years ended 30/09/18)

I like the fact that the volatility of returns measured by standard deviation drops markedly over time, as this is what you would intuitively expect.

If you are into statistics and probabilities a way you could use these figures if you assume that stock market returns are perfectly normally distributed is to consider that probabilistically 99.7% of 3 year returns per annum would be within 3 standard deviations of the mean. So between 0.2% per annum and 17.2% per annum per the table. And so it has proven to be with all 124 3 year returns per annum data points in that range.

In fact all returns are within 3 standard deviations of the mean for each timeframe. So this could give a guide as to what you might expect.

Maybe helpful, however I think you need to keep in mind the following:

- the period since June 2011 has seen a strong bull run for equities;
- you need to account for platform charges
- the proposition that equity returns are perfectly normally distributed is up for discussion, big topic !!

What I found interesting is then to compare the figures to those for LifeStrategy 60% equity which launched at the same time:

VLS 60%

It surprised me that the standard deviation of returns over 10 years was 1% per annum for both the 60% and the 80% versions.

Again all returns are within 3 standard deviations of the mean for each timeframe for LS60%

Maybe my workings are awry but there is a big difference in the outcomes per annum for identical volatility. Average 10 year returns per annum 8.8% v 7.0%. Counter-intuitive?

The worst year for LS60% (-11.2%) was worse than the worst year for LS80% (-8.8%). Also counter-intuitive? In both cases this was the year ended 31/12/22.

And the point of all of this is? Well, a feeling that I should be thinking about increasing my equity %. I keep a 50% allocation to equities with rebalancing at 60% either way. I will ponder on that awhile.

Anyway, hope the info is of interest here.
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Anthony French
Posted: 09 September 2024 07:25:53(UTC)
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Ten year plan.

U buy 100k of Vanguard LifeStrategy 80% Equity and keep everything crossed that the last ten
years performance is repeated. Your 100k would be worth around 230k.

Your options would be
1. to buy an annuity and surrender all your capital, let's say interest rates are 4%
at the time, could be higher/lower another gamble but would provide an annuity of around 5%
11.5k.

2. Use the 4% rule income of 9.2k, u would need a cash buffer but we will ignore for the example
and hopefully your pot would continue to grow but at a lower lever. U would need to keep everything crossed that the market hasn't crashed just before u start to take your income.

3. Buy a portfolio of Investment Trusts with a blended yield of 7% providing income of 7k
compounded at 7% over ten years income of 14k and u also keep all your hard earned.
If u couldn't re-invest your dividends at 7% u could always invest in Vanguard LifeStrategy 80% Equity
and keep everything crossed that it repeats it's past history.




Andrew59
Posted: 02 October 2024 19:41:00(UTC)
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And I guess the performance of both woild have been better if the UK overweight in equities had been normalized during this period.
john brace
Posted: 04 October 2024 17:46:48(UTC)
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I am looking to buy Vanguard lifestrategy 80 with AJBell, and would rather buy the ETF to keep costs down. It seems I can only buy the ETF in EUROS. For GBP I have to buy the fund. Is this a problem?
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You have to change your life
Posted: 06 October 2024 16:17:35(UTC)
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Harry Trout;318423 wrote:


Anyway, hope the info is of interest here.



It is but please help.

LS60 has a 5yr return of 5%pa according to this

ps://www.hl.co.uk/funds/fund-discounts,-prices--and--factsheets/search-results/v/vanguard-lifestrategy-60-equity-accumulation/charts

While Harry Trout's figures say 7.2%

Does one not include charges or am I misunderstanding something?
Blunt Instrument
Posted: 06 October 2024 19:12:03(UTC)
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You have to change your life;321382 wrote:


LS60 has a 5yr return of 5%pa according to this...


While Harry Trout's figures say 7.2%


... am I misunderstanding something?



Yes.

The 7.2% from Harry's table is the mean 5-year annualised return of all 100 5-year periods since fund inception.

Your ~5% (4.9%) is the annualised return of the last 5 years, which is just one instance (the most recent one!) out of the 100 5-year periods used in Harry's calculation.

ie. you're comparing two different things, two different numbers.
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You have to change your life
Posted: 06 October 2024 19:19:51(UTC)
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Blunt Instrument;321398 wrote:
You have to change your life;321382 wrote:


LS60 has a 5yr return of 5%pa according to this...


While Harry Trout's figures say 7.2%


... am I misunderstanding something?



Yes.

The 7.2% from Harry's table is the mean 5-year annualised return of all 100 5-year periods since fund inception.

Your ~5% (4.9%) is the annualised return of the last 5 years, which is just one instance (the most recent one!) out of the 100 5-year periods used in Harry's calculation.

ie. you're comparing two different things, two different numbers.



Thank you, Blunt Instrument.

The awful performance over the last five years is for a different thread.
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Posted: 06 October 2024 19:56:33(UTC)
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You have to change your life;321399 wrote:

The awful performance over the last five years is for a different thread.


The equity crash in '20 (Covid) caused a ~17% fund drawdown, then the biggest-ever bond crash in '22/23 (when money re-priced) caused a ~16% fund drawdown.

Considering that battering, a 25% return over the full 5 years doesn't seem so bad!
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Aminatidi on 06/10/2024(UTC)
You have to change your life
Posted: 06 October 2024 19:59:09(UTC)
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Blunt Instrument;321402 wrote:
You have to change your life;321399 wrote:

The awful performance over the last five years is for a different thread.


The equity crash in '20 (Covid) caused a ~17% fund drawdown, then the biggest-ever bond crash in '22/23 (when money re-priced) caused a ~16% fund drawdown.

Considering that battering, a 25% return over the full 5 years doesn't seem so bad!


My p/f more than doubled.
Blunt Instrument
Posted: 06 October 2024 20:12:05(UTC)
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You have to change your life;321403 wrote:
My p/f more than doubled.


Well done.

But while that's relevant to you, it's of little relevance to other investors looking for ways to invest their money in a low cost, fire & forget manner, which is what fund ranges like VLS and their competitors offer people.
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