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Budget - Everyone says that they won't but have they said they will?
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Posted: 14 September 2024 10:36:46(UTC)
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I wish I had moved to the US after graduation. Would have a better quality of life there and much better wealth generation prospects.

Services generally better too, and despite the expensive healthcare, doctors tend to be better there too i think.

Oh well. I guess in my position I'll just be as much of a burden to the UK taxpayer as I can be.
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Posted: 17 September 2024 14:38:46(UTC)
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Robert D - what's wrong with a SIPP?
Should only those either in public sector DB schemes or payroll private sector staff have pensions?
Why shouldn't a self-employed person have the same pension tax framework as someone working at, say, Google?
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Posted: 21 September 2024 11:33:02(UTC)
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Update: typos corrected. Apologises.

This week on the daily mail podcast ‘this is money’ the learned Steve Webb was on. He said he cannot see (my words) reeves creating a flat rate of say 20% pension tax relief. Said it’s too complex (I don’t understand why) and may have severe impact on senior public sector staff + senior public sector staff are usually Lab supporters.

So I think..

- reduce annual allowance
- reduce or end for future contributions the 25% tax free allowance
- reduce isa allowances
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Posted: 21 September 2024 11:44:10(UTC)
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MBA MBA;319711 wrote:
This week on te dialog mails this is money podcast the learned Steve Webb was on. He said he cannot see (my words) reeves creating a flat rate of day 20% pension tax relief. Said it’s complex (I don’t understand why) and May have severe impact on senior public sector staff + senior public sector staff are usually Lab supporters.

So I think..

- reduce annual allowance
- reduce or end for future contributions the 25% tax free allowance
- reduce isa allowances

And NIC taken from private pensions in drawdown.
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MBA MBA on 21/09/2024(UTC)
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Posted: 21 September 2024 12:23:18(UTC)
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I think the NIC on pension income is fair.

ISA allowance dropping is a possibility but wonder what it will drop to? £10k? Or maybe they stop allowances for people with ISA balance over a certain threshold like £500k?

Pension allowance very likely to drop but maybe just to 40k or 30k.

Doubt they change tax relief as it is difficult to implement. Removing the IHT free pension rule is also unlikely to happen.

For me the above and any expected changes won't impact me at all.
Jay P
Posted: 21 September 2024 13:44:35(UTC)
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Rookie Investor;319718 wrote:
I think the NIC on pension income is fair.


Not if only applied to DC pensions, it isn't.
https://fabians.org.uk/w...ug-24-for-pdf-fixed.pdf

"Charge employee national insurance on private pension incomes (with an annual allowance that would exempt small pensions)."

A Proposal in line with one of the Principles-

"Pension tax reform should encourage high-quality pensions - and at least ‘do no harm’ to existing defined benefit schemes".

It seems that a similar raid on public sector pensions cannot be contemplated because the taxpayer would have to compensate the poor wretches in kind.

"In our 2022 report we pointed out that some of this tax relief cannot easily be reallocated. In 2022/23, £22bn (34 per cent of relief on contributions) was allocated to public sector pension schemes. If this money was withdrawn the exchequer would have to either compensate public employers in other ways or reduce the generosity of pensions".

A recognition it ain't fair, but a shrug of the shoulders anyway.

"In examining reforms, the first instinct should be to seek to apply the same rules to all pension schemes to retain consistency. However, carve-outs or separate but parallel reforms should be considered for DB pensions if the impact of any general changes were to risk the financial sustainability of schemes or creates very high administrative burdens. Any such exemptions should only apply to pension schemes that are available on the same terms to all employees to prevent senior executives creating DB pensions only for themselves for tax-related reasons."

Still, it might do the Annuity industry a bit of good.
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MBA MBA
Posted: 21 September 2024 14:16:02(UTC)
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Rookie Investor;319718 wrote:
I think the NIC on pension income is fair.

ISA allowance dropping is a possibility but wonder what it will drop to? £10k? Or maybe they stop allowances for people with ISA balance over a certain threshold like £500k?

Pension allowance very likely to drop but maybe just to 40k or 30k.

Doubt they change tax relief as it is difficult to implement. Removing the IHT free pension rule is also unlikely to happen.

For me the above and any expected changes won't impact me at all.


I hope they aren’t stupid enough to have such a cap on total isa balance. That’s a tax on efficiency and investment success/luck.

Scrap junior ISAs. Reduce stocks and shares isa to £10k or scrap altogether. Intellectually that makes sense. penalising investment success would be a classic leftie thingy to do.
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Posted: 21 September 2024 21:04:00(UTC)
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MBA MBA;319711 wrote:
He said he cannot see (my words) reeves creating a flat rate of say 20% pension tax relief. Said it’s too complex (I don’t understand why) and may have severe impact on senior public sector staff + senior public sector staff are usually Lab supporters.


Most of what I see of adviser/tax wonks freaking out over flat rate relief "complexity" is to do with DB schemes. There, the "employer's contribution" isn't earmarked for any one individual, it's just whatever's needed to keep the scheme funded. But flat rate relief means it does matter what tax rate the beneficiaries are on. See e.g https://www.aegon.co.uk/...-to-be-the--fall-guy---#
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Posted: 21 September 2024 22:09:21(UTC)
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MBA MBA;319729 wrote:
Rookie Investor;319718 wrote:
I think the NIC on pension income is fair.

ISA allowance dropping is a possibility but wonder what it will drop to? £10k? Or maybe they stop allowances for people with ISA balance over a certain threshold like £500k?

Pension allowance very likely to drop but maybe just to 40k or 30k.

Doubt they change tax relief as it is difficult to implement. Removing the IHT free pension rule is also unlikely to happen.

For me the above and any expected changes won't impact me at all.


I hope they aren’t stupid enough to have such a cap on total isa balance. That’s a tax on efficiency and investment success/luck.

Scrap junior ISAs. Reduce stocks and shares isa to £10k or scrap altogether. Intellectually that makes sense. penalising investment success would be a classic leftie thingy to do.


Scrapping the ISA allowance is going to be unfair on the young, given the generational unfairness already. And they say they want to help the working (to mean lower to mid income). Keeping some ISA annual allowance is important for this cohort.

I think lowering the ISA allowance to 5k or 10k is reasonable. Something like a cap on contributions might also work and probably reasonable, some high level like £200k, with the caveat that those who already have breached this will not need to withdraw or pay tax on existing isa but instead can not contribute anymore.
Keith Cobby
Posted: 21 September 2024 22:28:24(UTC)
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Why should JISAs be scrapped or ISAs capped. JISAs replaced the CTF introduced by Labour as an admin light bare trust. ISAs were introduced by Labour to replace PEPs and TESSAs. I doubt that contribution limits will be reduced, but rather left to be eroded through inflation. Although perhaps seen as generous allowances, relatively few people can invest the full amount every year (same with pensions). Why would Labour harm a successful product they introduced and one which encourages saving from taxed income. There's too much hysteria around the forthcoming budget.
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