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AlanP2
Posted: 31 January 2025 10:52:01(UTC)
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If Reform ever do become the party in government in this country then it will be an unmitigated disaster in my opinion.

On the point of friends who are now Reform supporters my experience is the absolute opposite with none of them being in any way in favour.

Neither of those anecdotes about friends is indicative of potential election results but related to the fact that ones friends, generally speaking, have similar outlooks. Let's be realistic if an avid XXX supporter met an avid XXXX opposer at a party they are unlikely to end up as friends.
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Jay P
Posted: 31 January 2025 11:00:07(UTC)
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AlanP2;332734 wrote:

Neither of those anecdotes about friends is indicative of potential election results but related to the fact that ones friends, generally speaking, have similar outlooks. Let's be realistic if an avid XXX supporter met an avid XXXX opposer at a party they are unlikely to end up as friends.

Really? What a sad observation. And entirely untrue in my experience.
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Bob Brook
Posted: 31 January 2025 11:16:42(UTC)
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Reform are peaking quite early, a very long way to go yet. It will all depend if these growth plans work or not, we could be at peak Labour pessimism right now.
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Posted: 31 January 2025 11:16:59(UTC)
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a plague on all their houses
Are there any true and honest politicians in this country
Politicians have become like the second hand car sales people in the 70s
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Robin B
Posted: 31 January 2025 11:18:19(UTC)
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AlanP2;332734 wrote:
If Reform ever do become the party in government in this country then it will be an unmitigated disaster in my opinion.


How could it be a "disaster"? Care to explain how?

A lot of people I meet feel dismayed about the state this country is in and the outlook. How could it be worse than it currently is to try a different, frankly very moderate, political party? Existing situation...

Massive national debt. Porous borders. 600,000 illegal immigrants milling about in London alone, which we only know because Thames Water commissioned a study on it, probably realising their business model and obligations are impossible when the government has completely lost control and then lies or tries to hide the problem. An idiotic governing class that alienates the majority of the population, constantly. Also thinks giving away territory to other countries, with no claim at all, and offering to also pay them £9Bn is a good idea... highest energy costs in the world, high taxes, inflation (purchasing power fallen significantly since a few years ago)... choked up infrastructure, failing health service, importing rapists, paedos and murderers from abroad... curtailing our historic liberties to accommodate this huge, totally unnecessary mess... to mention a small number of the problems going on.

So your predicted "disaster" must be something really terrible. Are there going to be biblical earth quakes and tidal waves?
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ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 31 January 2025 11:19:37(UTC)
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AlanP2;332734 wrote:
If Reform ever do become the party in government in this country then it will be an unmitigated disaster in my opinion.

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How would you rate the current and preceeding governments on the 'disaster' scale...?

Bob Brook;332739 wrote:
Reform are peaking quite early, a very long way to go yet. It will all depend if these growth plans work or not, we could be at peak Labour pessimism right now.


I think they are just getting going...
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Adelaide One
Posted: 31 January 2025 12:46:27(UTC)
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Reform aka The Brexit Party aka UKIP have a terrible track record. They proposed Brexit, which has been an unmitigated disaster:
- migration is up
- investors are shunning the UK
- relative drop in our GDP, causing government debt and tax rises
- fisheries were shafted (where was farrage's help for them after the vote?)
- increased red tape for business
- drop in trade with Europe, especially for small businesses
- etc etc
There are very few real benefits for the UK.

Their defense is that "Brexit wasn't implemented properly", that shows a lack of planning, and an unwillingness to take responsibility. That isn't good enough.

They are nothing other than a protest vote.
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AlanP2 on 31/01/2025(UTC)
ANDREW FOSTER
Posted: 31 January 2025 12:56:15(UTC)
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Adelaide One;332749 wrote:
Reform aka The Brexit Party aka UKIP have a terrible track record. They proposed Brexit, which has been an unmitigated disaster:
- migration is up
- investors are shunning the UK
- relative drop in our GDP, causing government debt and tax rises
- fisheries were shafted (where was farrage's help for them after the vote?)
- increased red tape for business
- drop in trade with Europe, especially for small businesses
- etc etc
There are very few real benefits for the UK.

Their defense is that "Brexit wasn't implemented properly", that shows a lack of planning, and an unwillingness to take responsibility. That isn't good enough.

They are nothing other than a protest vote.


This is real Strawman stuff. It was May/Boris/Truss/Sunak responsible for the 'Exit deal' and all thus those things. They were in charge. The Tory Party.

Farage/Reform was not the government. Are not the government now.

I can be quite certain that things would be quite different if they were.
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Campbell Dunn
Posted: 31 January 2025 13:04:26(UTC)
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Brexit was a disaster because our politicians and civil servants had not the slightest clue on negotiating.
Why would you agree to an arrangement that did not have reciprocal trading rights between the countries and citizens. Summing up, we were doomed if we remained and doomed if we left.
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Robert D
Posted: 31 January 2025 13:33:58(UTC)
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Adelaide One;332749 wrote:
Reform aka The Brexit Party aka UKIP have a terrible track record. They proposed Brexit, which has been an unmitigated disaster:
- migration is up
- investors are shunning the UK
- relative drop in our GDP, causing government debt and tax rises
- fisheries were shafted (where was farrage's help for them after the vote?)
- increased red tape for business
- drop in trade with Europe, especially for small businesses
- etc etc
There are very few real benefits for the UK.

Their defense is that "Brexit wasn't implemented properly", that shows a lack of planning, and an unwillingness to take responsibility. That isn't good enough.

They are nothing other than a protest vote.


They're a one-issue party - it begins with an i and ends in an n

They've no other policies - not even a plan to fix potholes. The idiots Farage and Lowe have even proposed a return to the gold standard - a guarantee to crash the UK economy and make the UK uninvestible

The Tufton Street mob will be exposed at the next election (assuming Farage is still around and hasn't gone off in a huff to the US) when the media spotlight exposes their prejudices and weaknesses. And without Farage, they are nothing.


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