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William P
Posted: 06 March 2025 09:37:09(UTC)
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You could add some PNL. Maximum drawdown 11.9% according to the factsheet

or Troy Trojan, but maximum drawdown on this is 13.7% (I thought funds were meant to reduce the risk of discounts that IT's are exposed to)
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NPH
Posted: 06 March 2025 10:03:23(UTC)
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William P;336661 wrote:
You could add some PNL. Maximum drawdown 11.9% according to the factsheet

or Troy Trojan, but maximum drawdown on this is 13.7% (I thought funds were meant to reduce the risk of discounts that IT's are exposed to)


Not to criticise anyone's choices, but funds like PNL and CGT get a lot of discussion on here, but all I can see is years of underperformance in the hope that they will be more defensive if markets crash.
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Tom 123
Posted: 06 March 2025 10:18:21(UTC)
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Most global funds are too similar and exposed to the global mega caps. If you want to diversify and achieve something uncorrelated you need to go against the grain.

Either: different asset classes (gold / bonds), or different equities (i.e. value / EM / Small cap).

Possibilities:

Vanguard FTSE All-World High Dividend Yield, top ten all Value / Quality and no Mag7.
Global Small-Cap Index Fund
iShares Edge MSCI World Value Factor

I'm in all three. However, the only thing that is truly uncorrelated to everything else that I can see is gold. Cant find a better uncorrelated asset class at the moment.
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Joe C
Posted: 06 March 2025 10:22:43(UTC)
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When a sufficient quantity of cream comes off the top of the globals, you’ll probably re-acquire an interest in buying them again.

Why risk money you already have in order to make more money you probably won’t ever really need?

Shove the excess in a MM fund or suchlike, take the 5%+ in the short term and let it build up.

Drip it into your existing portfolio - ready to go in with larger amounts if everything goes properly tits-up.

That's what I'm doing anyway FWIW.

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Posted: 06 March 2025 11:01:30(UTC)
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Tom 123;336669 wrote:
Most global funds are too similar and exposed to the global mega caps. If you want to diversify and achieve something uncorrelated you need to go against the grain.



Agree, pretty much all of them these days are just a more concentrated version of buying a global index so don't offer any useful protection.

Even ones that used to look different - say JGGI for example was 60 something % US and 10% in Amazon and Microsoft. Now 75% US and 22% in Amazon, Microsoft, Nvidia, Meta.

I've still not seen any compelling options for active options aside from equity income funds. GGRP and Small Caps seem interesting as they keep me passive (albeit with manual intervention in the case of GGRP) but buy me something different from what I already have.

I suspect one of the above in the SIPP and maybe the same or just adding more to existing multi assets in the ISA is likely the answer due to the lack of any other compelling options.
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Robert D
Posted: 06 March 2025 11:17:10(UTC)
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Even GGRP has Microsoft and Apple among its top 10 holdings
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Rob B
Posted: 06 March 2025 11:21:38(UTC)
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It's an interesting conundrum. Much uncertainty abounds with tariffs / 'Monroe Doctrine' politics, economic impacts of these, general forecasting and blah blah blah.

The one thing you can control is costs. You could look at areas of undervalue via AJ Bell 'Global Growth' (think that's what it's called) with their 'active passive' or simply add to what you've got.

Of all the posters on here, you're in the top tier when it comes to research. So my suggestion is probably along the lines of 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' and 'what you're looking for may not exist'. You've also won the game at such a relatively young age (meant respectfully). Don't take more risk than you need.
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OmegaMale
Posted: 06 March 2025 11:24:39(UTC)
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Vanguard Global Equity Income ticks a lot of boxes for me

0.48% OCF
74.65% return over the last 5 years
Just under 43% US with no sign of the "Mag 7" in the top 10

Down about 1% over the last month or so

Happy to hold in both SIPPS and ISA

OM
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smg8
Posted: 06 March 2025 11:29:06(UTC)
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Rob B;336677 wrote:
It's an interesting conundrum. Much uncertainty abounds with tariffs / 'Monroe Doctrine' politics, economic impacts of these, general forecasting and blah blah blah.

The one thing you can control is costs. You could look at areas of undervalue via AJ Bell 'Global Growth' (think that's what it's called) with their 'active passive' or simply add to what you've got.

Of all the posters on here, you're in the top tier when it comes to research. So my suggestion is probably along the lines of 'if it isn't broke, don't fix it' and 'what you're looking for may not exist'. You've also won the game at such a relatively young age (meant respectfully). Don't take more risk than you need.


Thanks Rob.

My 2 multi assets in my ISA's are AJ Bell Adventurous and BNY Mellon Global Balanced. They've served me very well during my time holding them and simply increasing the weighting of these with new money in seems very logical.

The SIPP is the slightly bigger conundrum because the timescale means I can be balls out risk, but the AUM means I don't need to be (as you've alluded to). So I've perhaps been looking for this holy grail of equity returns without "buying more global tracker risk" and as you've suggested maybe that doesn't exist.

Adding the growth version of the AJB one to my SIPP is something I am pondering, or using the equivalent product from L&G or Abrdn.

As it happens my AUM is going down not up last few days (like most people), so it's a less pressing concern haha!
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Big boy
Posted: 06 March 2025 12:04:23(UTC)
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OmegaMale;336678 wrote:
Vanguard Global Equity Income ticks a lot of boxes for me

0.48% OCF
74.65% return over the last 5 years
Just under 43% US with no sign of the "Mag 7" in the top 10

Down about 1% over the last month or so

Happy to hold in both SIPPS and ISA

OM


74.65% return over 5 years….as at to-day is that bullish is or bearish. Many thanks.
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