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Stephen Tiley / PensionsManager
Posted: 25 November 2013 20:52:30(UTC)
#11

Joined: 16/05/2013(UTC)
Posts: 27

Just a thought, but did you inspect the property? Has it really been wrecked recently, or was it already wrecked when you bought it? Were there any genuine tenants?

It seems to me that they could have sent you photos of a similar property 'done up' but what you got was a wreck. They then could have arranged to pay 6 months rent via a connected party who allegedly lived there, but this was really just them returning some of your original outlay to keep you convinced all was sound.

Anyway it sounds very fishy and potentially fraudulent in which case a few inquiries with genuine real estate agents or law enforcement agencies/consumer standards people might shed some light on these operators who may just be selling junk over and over again without genuine tenants and with no real refurbishment having taken place.

Did you have a survey?

Don't get mad or give up, get even!
George Francis
Posted: 25 November 2013 21:14:04(UTC)
#13

Joined: 13/05/2012(UTC)
Posts: 1

BM - I think what you're referring to is sometimes known as 'jingle mail' which is where owners of US property under water, ie. in negative equity, post the keys back to the bank and the bank has no recourse. As I understand, that applies to only some loan companies and in some states. But of course, that's not going to help you here as you state you don't have a mortgage on the property.

I'd personally look carefully into the costs, any personal liabilities and implications of using an LLC. It might be that setting up an LLC to take ownership of a property in the expectation that you can then walk away might not be legal. I'm not sure, but I didn't think you can set up a LTD company here in the UK to do this. Sounds like you need some advice on this, I'm a member on wealthprotectionreport and you could register for 1 month and ask the questions in the forums, they might be able to give you some pointers.

It's sad to hear this kind of story. I too am looking at US property. I've seen the ads for property in Detroit, Buffalo, Rochester etc saying 20-30% yields are possible. What worried me is what kind of tenants are going to be renting places that are only costing a few tens of thousands of dollars. Florida I looked at too, but running costs for a Florida villa can be very expensive (air con, pool maintenance, bug control etc).

Hope you find some way out this...

BM
Posted: 25 November 2013 21:14:42(UTC)
#12

Joined: 23/11/2013(UTC)
Posts: 5

Hi Stephen,

No I did not inspect or have a survey done on the property. Yes I admit what you say could I
suppose be true i.e. all set up, so there's no way I can disprove that. Will have a look online at
real estate agents or consumer standards though like you said.

Thank you
rik
Posted: 25 November 2013 22:58:56(UTC)
#14

Joined: 07/10/2012(UTC)
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You bought a property in a foreign country, unseen and unsurveyed!
In one of the poorest parts of that country!
You expected to make money!
You have been parted from whatever it cost you. (I'm surprised it took six months)
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barrie on 26/11/2013(UTC)
Hilary hames
Posted: 25 November 2013 23:31:58(UTC)
#15

Joined: 20/02/2011(UTC)
Posts: 102

rik;21815 wrote:
You bought a property in a foreign country, unseen and unsurveyed!
In one of the poorest parts of that country!
You expected to make money!
You have been parted from whatever it cost you. (I'm surprised it took six months)


how kind of you Rik. At least the other posters have done their very best to be helpful, especially to a first time poster on this site
PensionsManager
Posted: 25 November 2013 23:58:29(UTC)
#16

Joined: 20/08/2009(UTC)
Posts: 18

Just found this:

http://motorcitymuckrake...of-global-ponzi-scheme/

There is a class action law suit going on with Metro Property appearing to be main culprits.
TJL
Posted: 26 November 2013 09:20:41(UTC)
#17

Joined: 14/03/2011(UTC)
Posts: 1,630

I would be torn between the desire to 'get even' (as someone has already said), and the desire to walk away as quickly, cheaply and conveniently as possible and put it all behind me.
Getting even will probably involve risk, time and cost, so walking away might appeal.
I would not normally suggest paying for advice, but this might be a situation where it could be a good idea? (some basic advice at least - I would be very wary of the LLC option without fully understanding the implications?).
Good luck whatever you decide, it is clear from the majority of posts that we all sympathise and wish you well.
TJL
Ian Stephens
Posted: 26 November 2013 09:23:58(UTC)
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Hello BM,

It looks like you have been dragged into a very nasty situation with an extremely unpleasant organisation. Nil return on your "investment" would be a result. Read this to find out who you are really dealing with:

http://www.debbieschluss...com/tag/sameer-beydoun/

But really, what were you thinking when you made the decision to get into this?? Oh, that's right, you didn't think. Remember: if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.

Ian
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barrie on 26/11/2013(UTC)
barrie
Posted: 26 November 2013 11:03:02(UTC)
#19

Joined: 30/07/2011(UTC)
Posts: 3

You wanted to profit from the misfortunes of others. You probably got what you deserve. Next time think it through and don't complain-just think what those who lost their houses in Detroit must feel.
PensionsManager
Posted: 26 November 2013 11:32:12(UTC)
#20

Joined: 20/08/2009(UTC)
Posts: 18

Barrie, a bit harsh!

Yes he may have been naive, as he admits, but he may well have thought helping to refurbish and gentrify old properties (and bring them back to life) was a worthwhile thing to do. Every buyer of property buys it from a seller and these sellers are not individuals being thrown out on their ear - they long left and moved on. The current sellers are just corporations of dubious ethics. These are white elephant properties and very high risk - not unlike those derelict terraced houses in Liverpool and Salford that were once sold for a £1 as long as you did them up, etc.

The real culprits can be traced back to politicians and bankers/hedge funds. Clinton introduced legislation to force lenders to lend to virtually anyone, and they did! Property bubble and mortgage backed securities - sub-prime - etc that's how the financial crisis started. That led to low interest rates and in turn makes some individuals too keen to search for higher yields etc.
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