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keith jefferies
Posted: 08 September 2010 12:04:30(UTC)
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Joined: 06/01/2010(UTC)
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We have invested in a mixture of AXA and Aviva investment bonds since 2005 and have become dissolussioned with the 2 advisors be have used.

We also have invested in a Close escalator FTSE linked ISA and hold some Barclays Shares.

I do apreciate market conditions have not helped on this period and we have lost money and incurred adisors charges.

I am in receipt of a final salary pension already.

We need to provide retirement income from around 2014/15 and do not know what products we should be looking at.

I would like to manage everything without an advisor and 'go it alone' taking a cautious approach
Alec McHale
Posted: 08 September 2010 12:58:39(UTC)
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Joined: 01/12/2009(UTC)
Posts: 2

Why invest in Investment Bonds, when you are obviously a Tax Payer. These funds incur a tax charge and advisor commission! You could probably invested in teh same funds though Co-funds at a fraction of the cost, and only face a capital gains tax liability!

If you still have earned income other than you final salary scheme you could make contributions to a personal pension, gaining valuable tax Relief.

You could maximise your ISA's both cash and stocks & shares. Look for protected products, to ensure your money is safe.

Employ an Indepent Financial Adviser who performs proper financial planning. They will not worry if you buy products form them or not, but will be able to show you what you need to do and what products are available. Expect to pay a fee for this service.

David Johnstone
Posted: 08 September 2010 13:37:21(UTC)
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Joined: 03/07/2009(UTC)
Posts: 28

I am stunned you actually expect to get professional advice for free? If that is true then can I start by saying attitudes like the 'something for nothing' approach is ruining this country hence I do hope that posting on Citywire is not simply a means of getting free advice from an unqualified and unregulated source.

You don't mention how much risk you wish to take with your money. Do you wish to avoid any loss in capital value in real terms or just nominal terms? Do you want it onshore or offshore? Do you want to minimise your tax? Do you have any health problem s and what is life expectancy like in your family? What tax rate are you likley to pay in retirement? Do you have any other assets and do you intend selling shares in the future? Are you worried about having to pay for care costs in the future? If so, do you want to retain as much of your wealth outside the clutches of the local authority assessment test? Do you want access to specialist funds not available via a unit trust company? Would you like your money to grow free of income tax and free of capital gains tax and be outwith the clutches of the UK? Do you expect to pay for advice or are you prepared to do your own thing and risk making mistakes or would you rather pay for advice from an adviser who will eitrher take a commission or charge you a fee?

These initial questions are only scratching the surface.

You really ought to go talk to a proper Chartered Financial Planner and pay for good advice.

keith jefferies
Posted: 08 September 2010 14:12:09(UTC)
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Joined: 06/01/2010(UTC)
Posts: 7

Thank you for your understanding response.

I am stunned by your reply, unless you are an advisor.

I was merely asking questions on an 'ask a question' forum to gain some general wide ranging views on the topic!

Spending a lot of money on proffessional advice has not provided value for money to me so far!

Acting on my own initiative has proved more fruitful, which is what I am doing here.
keith jefferies
Posted: 08 September 2010 14:13:43(UTC)
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Joined: 06/01/2010(UTC)
Posts: 7

Thank you Alec for your helpful reply
Dennis .
Posted: 08 September 2010 16:34:29(UTC)
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Joined: 26/12/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,015

Get an account with something like Hargreaves Lansdown and study their website for a few weeks, you will soon learn which funds are popular for growth or income and be able to see their recommendations as well as track records. Then do it yourself and then move into shares or ETFs or whatever. I am in the same situation with a good final salary pension and I currently stash away quite a lot of spare cash into Income generating funds (with income re-invested) in ISAs for me and the wife.

I am not sure that putting money into a pension in this situation is worthwhile even for allowing for the tax relief on the way in (since you pay tax on the way out). There used to be a good reason for using the tax relief if you were a higher rate tax payer during your working life and didn't expect to have pension earnings that high rate later on. However it's worth remembering that basic rate tax hasn't always been 20% (used to be over 30%) so you are also gambling on future government policy.
stormdog
Posted: 08 September 2010 16:55:26(UTC)
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Joined: 04/02/2008(UTC)
Posts: 56

For David Johnstone:

Concerning the first paragraph of your reply.

Perhaps from your exceptionally high horse you may not have noticed that by and large it has been highly regulated and very qualified people - the financial 'great and good' - who recently have all but bankrupted our country.

In the eyes of many, those members of what can best be described as being of the 'upper working class' are now a totally busted flush.

This lack of credibility has been brought about by their having been seen as having less conscience than South London fourth-hand car dealers. Not all of course, yet mud once thrown splatters and sticks.

It started with Lloyd's, then Equitable Life and since then down-hill all the way until we all found out that a huge number of MPs. have had their snouts in the trough.

Sir, the outside world has changed.

With the new concerns about the EU banks it seems that the large changes presently taking place will continue for sometime to come, perhaps even in a more radical way than anyone can presently imagine.

Whether this looming shake up will in the long-run be for good or ill (as far as the Britain and those who live here are concerned) is of course only known to God.

personally if I have to be ripped off, I would much rather it was done by a good ol' boy from 'Sarth' London than an incompetent twit that I happened to be at school with, at least it will be done with a smile.

Really, you owe Mr. Jefferies an apology for your first paragraph. As to your second paragraph it seems reasonably down to earth and sane.




David Johnstone
Posted: 08 September 2010 17:18:24(UTC)
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Joined: 03/07/2009(UTC)
Posts: 28

To Stormdog. Ref your rant. Professional qualified advice given freely? I know of no other profession that works for nothing. To expect to get good quality professional advice for free is just nonsense. To believe it is available is deluded. May I politely remind you that by taking properly qualified regulated advice Mr Jefferies gets the added protection of the Financial Services Compensation Scheme if the firm that advises gets declared in default and the Financial Ombudsman Service which can make compensation rulings in cases where a firm is deemed to have given inappropritae / unsuitable advice. Or maybe you expect do-it-yourself advice to be compensated too?

Therefore if a member of the public, whoever they are, decides to self advise, they should not have recourse to investor protection nor should they expect to receive free advice from non-regulated individuals whish is in fact against the law.

Any Tom, Dick or Harry can pick up certain information on the web but it is the wrinkles that are so important, or pending legislation changes or fund manager departures / takeovers etc that make the difference bettween properly informed advice and buying a Money Week once a month in Sainsbury's when you do the Sunday shop.

My point is simple. Some people expect the earth and pay nothing for it.

No apology necessary. I continue to me amazed at the naiivetty of people who genuinely think they would get good quality advice on a forum like this. Please!
Dennis .
Posted: 08 September 2010 17:55:07(UTC)
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Joined: 26/12/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,015

I think that the point being made is that IFAs generally are in it to sell the products best for themselves and their employers. Have you ever had a "financial review" by a bank or building society? It's just a joke - they just trying selling in house bonds with high charges etc. Let's face it, investing is about guessing the future and one man's guess is as good as another's and not getting overcharged for so called advice in the process. I am in the process of moving more of my portfolio into ETFs to reduce charges further.
munty
Posted: 08 September 2010 17:55:32(UTC)
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Joined: 18/07/2010(UTC)
Posts: 1

The problem is of course getting good quality advice even when paying for it. The fact that someone is a qualified professional doesn't mean that the advice they give is any good at all. You only have to look at the recent investment performance of many professional companies to see that.

The charges made by investment management companies are not related to their performance. Perhaps if they mirrored the gains and losses made by the client it would improve matters.


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