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When will Buy To Let landlords be restricted to assist First Time Buyers
Colin Cloy
Posted: 12 January 2011 10:16:49(UTC)
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The average age of a FTB without parental support is now 37 according todays Daily Telegraph but over 40 and rising according to Paul Howard of the Nationwide Building Society at last months Mortgage Event. FTBs can no longer compete with BTL landlords without parental support as the average deposit required is now approximately one years income. BTL landlords as well as propertyowners have benefited from the rapid house price inflation over the last decade due to easy availability credit.and are in a much stronger position than FTBs to purchase. I understand that this is not just the case in England & Wales but also in Scotland where the legal system differs.

The last government tried to encourage FTBs back into the housing market by increasing the nil rate band on Stamp duty land tax to £250,000 up to 24th March 2012 but this has not worked because of the current prices are still to high. Also whenever a suitable property comes onto the market it is usually snaped up by a BTL landlord. This is particularly prevalent in the South East of England.

The coalition Government has indicated that they intend to try to unblock the housing market by pulling certain levers and I have suggested a couple of posible actions to them:-

Firstly the very radical action of removing tax relief on loan interest for BTL landlords which would certainly go a long way to reducing house prices and making the BTL loan market virtually extinct. It would create a lot of negative equity and be very unpopular with many propertyowners including BTL lanlords. However it would be extremely popular with tenants and a generation of 20-30 year olds still living at home with parents as large numbers would suddenly be in a postion to buy. It would also have an affect on the capital adequacy of many of the lenders which may further restrict funds. It would however stabilise the property market after a period of turmoil.

A second less radical plan that I have suggested is to increase Stamp duty land tax for BTL landlords to such a penal extent that it is no longer cost effective for them to enter the market but this would further dampen an already stagnating housing market. However if the government does nothing many parents will have their offspring continuing to stay with them until their deaths and the children receive an inheritance. In less than ten years the average age of a FTB will probably have reached over age 50 if the government takes no action on the BTL market.

I can now longer see how FTBs can compete with BTL landlords in the housing market. Even if a method was found to assist FTBs without restricting the BTL it would continue to cause the rampant house price inflation we saw during the last government. It is inevitable the Government will act in favour of the FTB at some stage but when? Probably when the media and press start to tell the full story of the FTB issue!
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antigricer on 06/02/2013(UTC)
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Posted: 12 January 2011 13:40:12(UTC)
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I can not see how "the very radical action of removing tax relief on loan interest for BTL landlords.... would create a lot of negative equity and be very unpopular with many propertyowners". Unless I have missed it, tax relief on mortgage interest was reduced to a maximium of the first £30K some years ago and then it was abolished all together. So removing it from BTL should only affect them. BUT they only get relief as the mortgage is classed as a business loan!! What HMG needs to do is specify that a business loan DOES NOT include any loan granted for the purchase or renovation of residential property or for the conversion of any building into residential property. A bit tough on the few builders who convert properties but should stop BTL totally.
derek piper
Posted: 12 January 2011 14:10:54(UTC)
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The problem with the housing market is not BTL but the shortage of mortgage funds for FTB and the high percentage deposit needed and the product fees and other costs attached to these mortgages. Lenders and government should find away make FTB mortgages lower (The Chelsea Building society SVR is 5.79%) It is unfair to blame buy to let landlords as mortgages for any purchase attracts product fees of typically 3% plus 60% loan to value making it not easy to enter the market.
Gristybeasty
Posted: 12 January 2011 14:12:47(UTC)
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The problem as I understand it, is that these BTL's are really not helping the economy. Any damn idiot with a bit of money can go in to the BTL trade and it dosen't take any brains to do let out property! What the country really needs is entrepreneurs who will develop business's and companies which will employ workers and then those workers will earn enough money to put down a deposit and work towards owning their own house!
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antigricer on 06/02/2013(UTC)
Colin Cloy
Posted: 12 January 2011 14:28:02(UTC)
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Redundant,

I intially favoured this option as I thought it would mean a lot of existing BTL landlords would put their homes on the market and create an over supply of cheaper end properties which would allow FTBs to purchase. However the over supply is bound to have a negative impact on house prices initially which could also affect the banks capital adequacy situation. I hope you are right about it not affecting house values as it would bring in a lot of money to the Treasury as well as assisting a whole younger generation!
Kenpen2
Posted: 12 January 2011 14:45:31(UTC)
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Good suggestions, Colin and Old Timer; agree totally. BTL should no longer be considered as just another business opportunity.

Like so many things BTL was OK as long as not too many people did it. But now it's gone mainstream it's seriously b*ggering up the life-chances of the much-put-upon younger generation. Time to pull the plug.
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antigricer on 06/02/2013(UTC)
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Posted: 12 January 2011 14:53:07(UTC)
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The market cannot be sustained where we have an earnings ratio disproportionate to the first time buyer ability to pay for a mortgage. We cannot sustain a BTL market where it would be cheaper to buy if only you can get the morgage. Again, this is disproportionate. The correct relationship has to be re-established between buy and let, for the benefit of the economy as a whole to work. As a society none of of us will gain if we have a generation unable to purchase their own home.
Redundant (Old Timer?)
Posted: 12 January 2011 14:55:26(UTC)
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Colin,

You are right that prices could go down, hence care is needed on how the tax relief is withdrawn. The safest way is to stop it for all new loans now (gives FTBs an increased chance) and then withdraw it altogether over say 5 years (20% pa) to allow BTL landlords to rebalance their portfolios. Hopefully this will prevent a sudden big drop in house prices and some small BTL landlords handing the keys back to the bank.

One thing to bear in mind is that average house prices are currently falling and personally I do not see that trend reversing this year, so taking away the relief is unlikely to stop this trend..
richard hickman
Posted: 12 January 2011 15:53:38(UTC)
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Its another example of a government medling in market affairs, with the result that distortions become acute, and remedies painful. Unintended consequences? Yes. Why? Broken Parliamentary process due to too much legislation and too little attention to detail.
The Colonel
Posted: 12 January 2011 15:59:29(UTC)
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Mr Cloy is a Clown .
Does he think that the public sector will or is able provide homes to let ?.
If the BTL market collapses there will be nothing for these people to rent.
Does he not think that the Planning process, the cost of Building the Shortage
of Accommodation, where it is needed ,has anything to do with it.
And what about the Banks/Institutions lending Policies? I suppose they are
completely innocent in all this?
At least if FTB's are not in a position to buy.They have a chance to rent in the BTL
Market, unless they are unmarried mothers or asylum seekers they have no gott a
chance to rent from the Public Sector
The answer is a Govermental Body, to underwrite a proportion of a mortgage to a
FTB.
The risk to be shared by the Buyer by way of their deposit, the Lender and the
New Underwriting Body. The New Body should be authorised to issue Bonds paying
a Dividend that is Tax Free, without any strings if it needs Capital, to fund its Liabilities.
These Bonds should be made attractive to Pension Funds and other long term
Investors. Breaking the Buy to let Market will cause more harm than good.
And what is GristyBeasts experience of the BTL market "Any damn idiot with a bit of
money can go in to the BTL trade and it dosen't take any brains to do let out property"
Its these "damn idiots" who are the ones going broke. The Property auctions are full
of Foreclosures of "Damn Idiots" properties.
It is not easy,to be successful in BTL, it requires experience, brains and an enormous
amount of Hard Work to be successful in BTL. All attributes that I fear are sadly lacking in
GristyBeasts makeup.
The real villains in this is are Blair & particularly that Moronic Idiot Brown for not
Clamping down on excessive lending when they had the opportunity and power to do
so.
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