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Politics and Economics-2017 Election
Ivor Grouse
Posted: 04 June 2017 19:20:54(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47588 wrote:
Corbyn has definitely got a battle on his hands when one considers his funding versus that of TM.


Corbyns nemesis is not lack of funding but more to do with lack of credibility.
King Lodos
Posted: 04 June 2017 19:54:36(UTC)
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Keith Hilton;47592 wrote:
King Lodos;47555 wrote:
We've already got a generation of graduates finding it hard to get work – if we were flooding their job-spaces with people willing to work longer hours for less pay, I think the broadsheets would suddenly realise it's a problem.


We already are, although mostly it's through outsourcing. For many years, the company I worked for also directly employed a large number of Indian workers, although recently they've been looking more towards Poland, for various reasons - some of which will probably be scuppered by Brexit.


Undoubtedly – but then we've been outsourcing manufacturing on an industrial scale since the first factories opened in Taiwan.

So unskilled workers had to transition from factories and materials to things like service industries – and we're now bringing people in to replace them there. In fact they're the one group, globally, whose real incomes have dropped since the 1970s – as the world's opened up, they've been left stranded in sinkhole estates and ex-mining towns.

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Prof Eman
Posted: 04 June 2017 23:37:50(UTC)
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My students have another question-
What is fair, reasonable, democratic, about the size of election fund of the Conservatives when compared to Labour's?
Any suggestions for answers?
King Lodos
Posted: 05 June 2017 03:12:18(UTC)
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I think it's one of those situations where virtually any rule you could implement would disadvantage someone.

I'd contrast it with Trump's election fundraising total of $255m, vs Hillary's $512m. (as of October 2016)

How important is it in winning an election? .. Where Hillary had the support of Hollywood, Wall Street and most of the media, Trump had huge grassroots support, who'd rally and post on message boards.

Corbyn is really the Trump in this election (the chaotic populist – in Zizek's words – who divides his own party and who most don't take seriously as a politician).

The amount of online support Corbyn gets from unpaid devotees would be very difficult to quantify against May's campaigning .. From many online polls, you'd think the Tories weren't going to win a single seat .. The fact is many Conservative voters (myself included) don't broadcast our views outside the voting booths, because they've become so demonised in the public space .. I'd say this is certainly far from fair – but again, maybe impossible to regulate.
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Posted: 05 June 2017 07:59:39(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47603 wrote:
My students have another question-
What is fair, reasonable, democratic, about the size of election fund of the Conservatives when compared to Labour's?
Any suggestions for answers?

What is undemocratic about the current method of political party funding?
Ivor Grouse
Posted: 05 June 2017 09:16:42(UTC)
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Prof Eman;47603 wrote:
My students have another question-
What is fair, reasonable, democratic, about the size of election fund of the Conservatives when compared to Labour's?
Any suggestions for answers?


Your students may well have a point there Prof Eman.
There is nothing fair reasonable or democratic when unions collect their members dues and then make large donations to the Labour Party when in fact a proportion of their members will be voting for other parties.


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Posted: 05 June 2017 09:30:26(UTC)
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Is anyone else thinking that Prof Eman's students seem to ask a lot of silly left-wing questions of the type that anyone could answer given a calm moment of thought? Why is the world round? Why are things not always completely fair? Etc.

How old are these students? 13, 14? Studying at the Apocryphal University, I hope...
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Posted: 05 June 2017 11:49:49(UTC)
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Ivor Grouse;47614 wrote:
Prof Eman;47603 wrote:
My students have another question-
What is fair, reasonable, democratic, about the size of election fund of the Conservatives when compared to Labour's?
Any suggestions for answers?


Your students may well have a point there Prof Eman.
There is nothing fair reasonable or democratic when unions collect their members dues and then make large donations to the Labour Party when in fact a proportion of their members will be voting for other parties.



Union members have the right to opt of Labour Party donations, I was in Unison for awhile and they were very clear about offering this ability to opt out.
Prof Eman
Posted: 05 June 2017 13:41:36(UTC)
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jvi
I would not belittle the students. Just because they do not fit your role model, they do not automatically become left wing. They are of above average intelligence, possibly higher than yours.
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Posted: 05 June 2017 14:00:22(UTC)
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I'm concerned that HMG are planning something so controversial that they didn't think they could get it through with their current majority so called a snap election safe in the knowledge that; with the threat of Abbott (low intelligence arrogant racist) as Home Secretary and Corbyn (IRA/Taliban sympathiser) as PM, the Conservatives would win by a landslide from which they could push anything through Parliament. I shudder at the thought of what it could be.
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