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New 2011 Pension Annual Allowance rules
P L
Posted: 03 March 2011 22:26:17(UTC)
#1

Joined: 10/08/2008(UTC)
Posts: 356

Anyone know the answers to the following questions related to the incoming pension rules on annual allowance.

1) Why is the CPI up rating factor taken as CPI for 12 months to the september prior to the tax year for which the calculation is to be done ie Sep09-sep10 CPI for 11/12 tax year. Ref http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/p...ance/pension-input.htm, step4 of savings under a DB scheme.
Can't see why it has to be so far out of alignment?

2) In all of HMRCs examples there doesn't appear to be any example which deals with how added years being purchased over an extended period of time are handled eg 4 years purchased by making additional payments over say 20years until NRD. Is it just a case of adding a 4/20th of a year for each extra year worked since the payments were started or do they get added at the end or have some other algortim involving magic numbers picked out of the air

[Please don't suggest ringing HMRC - I'm already suffering repeative strain injury from all the redialling]

3) As I understood things If your earnings were over the salary limit prior to the new changes (labours changes that is) and you were in a defined benefit scheme the effective cap of 20K (or was it 30K) was being ignored provided no material change was made to the DB pension. Assuming that is correct ,does that now mean that a phantom allowance of 30K+30K+30K is available or does the new calculation need to be done to determine the excess using the new (Po-Pi) x16 rules for each of the previous 3 years.

Thank goodness for the Conservatives ....... you can trust them to make things simple

May be the country should forget GCSEs & A levels as the main means of dishing out undergraduate places - If you can understand this wreck of a tax and pension system you deserve a place anywhere you want.
Pensions Manager
Posted: 08 March 2011 10:04:24(UTC)
#2

Joined: 09/03/2010(UTC)
Posts: 2

No idea why the index is measured over the year to September, but that period applies to the statutory indexing of deferred pensions, statutory increase on pensions in payment and increases to State Pensions and other benefits. I think it's just a case of "make it consistent with what we do for other increases". It could be that September was originally chosen as the reference period for increases to apply the following April, to allow for time for all the calculations to be done - back in the days when they were done with a sheet of paper and a pencil!!!

It doesn't really matter what period is used though.

(2) Your assumption is the right way to go. Essentially, all the examples are simply showing the amount of pension earned up to a particular date - so it's the calculation of a leaving service pension. If you left service then your deferred pension would include the added years you'd built up, pro rata.

(3) The Annual Allowance is £50k for each of the last three tax years (2008-2001). You then need to deduct your pension inputs for each of those years, using the new calculation to determine the amount you can carry forward.

HTH
P L
Posted: 08 March 2011 11:38:01(UTC)
#3

Joined: 10/08/2008(UTC)
Posts: 356

Ok thanks,

1) I take your point, it just seems daft to use specific data and then purposely then use an inaccurate value. They could have just used 2% and assumed that over the long term the BoE target is on average being met (may be I shouldn't have said that it might give George another idea of how to save money)
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