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Increased taxation for the older generation?
Newbie
Posted: 21 June 2021 20:04:40(UTC)

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NoMoreKickingCans;173987 wrote:
Johnson is economically illiterate.


Yes.... But show me a politician who is !!!

They are usually there as they have the ability to convince people that what they preach makes sense, even if they have not written it or understand it themselves. That is the requisite and training for the elite club.

It matters not what I do or am able to do - it matters what I can convince you to do !!

How about all politicians put up a financial bond when taking office and that be used in the cover the shortfall if certain measures are not fulfilled, you'll soon find that the aspiration changes from being a political leader to a legal representative.
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We are now run by a totally corrupt government - now seemingly little different from some South American despotic regime...

https://goodlawproject.org/updat...mpaign=vip%20lane%202106

They help themselves to public money by the bucket load.

Although politicians have always got up to some dodgy things, I seem to remember them at least being forced to resign in disgrace in past decades. Now it seems they just deny what is obviously true - and there is no consequence - Nothing at all.
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AndyJ7;173957 wrote:
A reduction to pension tax relief would be pretty devastating for me.

My wife due to taking on our childcare responsibilities is a lower earning/non tax payer with next to no pension savings so we are very reliant on my pension savings, and the 41% (SRIT + Salary Sacrifice) I get over say 20%, is massive over the next 30 years, perhaps even the difference between retiring comfortably and retiring rather miserably!


The more the LTA is reduced, the stronger the case must be for it to be transferable or to be assessed on a joint basis. Kind of crazy if couples are massively penalized for asymmetric pension saving because of the way career/carer choices happen to work out.
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DIY Investing;173985 wrote:
Taxation never works. There are maybe some things the government could do around pension tax relief, but that is a tax on the young, and it will likely just exacerbate the future retirement crisis. It’s also small beer.

The only way to get out of this mess is to cut all unproductive public spending right down to the bare minimum, use some of the savings to cut the deficit to zero and use the rest to invest (not spend) for real economic growth.


Having worked with Tory ministers and Tory councils Im afraid to say that they are as inefficient at allocating resources and overseeing public spending as Lab counterparts. A few reasons:

- the pressure on politicians to spend and increase spending by 2-3% is enormous. Its daily. If Dorothy has an ingrowing toe nail in Dorset the first response of the British public is: why isnt the government doing something.

- Spending money = activity. Activity = politician is doing something. S/he can have something to say -written by civil servants - on the floor of the House: 'I say to members, we have established a strategic programme taskforce in outer Dorset who will drive improvements in preventing ingrowing toe nails'. This means tens of people employed on £40-180k pa who then hire private sector consultants on £1k per day who deliver 'change transformation programmes'. Such transformation involves organising seminars for hard pressed GPs and hospital managers where they are told ingrowing toe nails is an epidemic which must be tackled. They will ask 'how'. Consultants will tell them 'that's your job'.

- Thatcher failed to curtail the size of the state

- Since WWII UK has mostly rung fiscal deficits, mostly under Tory governments.

At least in the 80's some - Tory - politicians talked about curtailing spending. Today no one does. Literally no one. Not even John Redwood. Recently the entire media along with Lab appeared to be asking the govt to increase education spending by £12bn. No one even thinks about how much £12bn is...its just a number that people think can be found easily.

- Then we all love our public spending. The middle classes especially love public spending: state pension, NHS, social care etc. A chap down my road owns a £1.5m house, has 2 cars in his drive each worth £60k+ (BMW/Merc) and has a disabled parking badge enabling him to park for free at the local Waitrose. Meanwhile the Waitrose workers on not much more than the min wage have to pay £10 a day to park there. We are all addicted to public spending.

Rant over.
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MBA MBA;174020 wrote:
This means tens of people employed on £40-180k pa who then hire private sector consultants on £1k per day who deliver 'change transformation programmes'. Such transformation involves organising seminars for hard pressed GPs and hospital managers where they are told ingrowing toe nails is an epidemic which must be tackled. They will ask 'how'. Consultants will tell them 'that's your job'. .

1k is cheap, a quick look up on g-cloud 12 for Deloitte is interesting
Page 2
https://assets.digitalma...ent-2020-07-17-1101.pdf

EDIT - explanation of G-Cloud 12
G-Cloud is in effect a marketplace of IT and management consulting services that can be procured by any Public Sector body
The 12 is just the fact this is the 12 year - all services and rate cards are valid within this year - you have to do them all again for G Cloud 13
Any discount applied to anybody by a firm must be available to others at the same rate
You cannot procure services outside of this
Anybody can view them

EDIT - added screenshot
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Tim D
Posted: 28 June 2021 07:22:24(UTC)

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More dubious ideas surfacing (let's put everyone's pensions into an open-ended fund of illiquid assets...): https://www.telegraph.co...art-ups-drive-recovery/ or paywall bypass at https://archive.vn/qDir9

It's just bizarre. There are plenty of proven closed-ended infrastructure trusts. Presumably the pension cos think punters can't tolerate the extra volatility which would come with stuff able to swing to a discount (especially stuff touted as a bond replacement), or the govt wants to avoid the embarrassment which would come from the market price being able to reflect scepticism about the claimed asset value.
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philip gosling
Posted: 28 June 2021 08:14:49(UTC)

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NoMoreKickingCans;173994 wrote:
We are now run by a totally corrupt government - now seemingly little different from some South American despotic regime...

https://goodlawproject.org/updat...mpaign=vip%20lane%202106

They help themselves to public money by the bucket load.

Although politicians have always got up to some dodgy things, I seem to remember them at least being forced to resign in disgrace in past decades. Now it seems they just deny what is obviously true - and there is no consequence - Nothing at all.



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Gosh Matt Hancok must have read your rant and decided to start a new trend for politicians - accept personal responsibility . Sadly news people like BBC Andrew Marr claims he caught Covid at the G7 Conference - and he didn't bother to isolate as that is for the 'little' people.

Now what we need is the Defence Chiefs and the Minister to either explain how they caught Covid at a conference if they had kept to social distancing and all wore masks or if they too abused the rules - all should resign?
huudi
Posted: 28 June 2021 11:13:41(UTC)

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Richard T;173966 wrote:
AndyJ7;173957 wrote:
A reduction to pension tax relief would be pretty devastating for me.

My wife due to taking on our childcare responsibilities is a lower earning/non tax payer with next to no pension savings so we are very reliant on my pension savings, and the 41% (SRIT + Salary Sacrifice) I get over say 20%, is massive over the next 30 years, perhaps even the difference between retiring comfortably and retiring rather miserably!


No sure I understand this... childcare responsibilities for thirty years... ?

Personally, a mid-rate for pension relief seems sensible to me. It has often been observed here that many/most who benefit from 40% tax relief will be able to avoid paying 40% tax in retirement. Plus there's the added incentive to save for 20% tax payers, who surely are most likely to end up needing pension credits, etc., currently.


Agreed , "not sure I understand any of this". Actualy I am sure that if you guys think pensions are safe then at least you are happy & content to keep paying in.
huudi
Posted: 28 June 2021 11:33:26(UTC)

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NoMoreKickingCans;173987 wrote:
The first step out of this mess is to TURN THE BLOODY TAPS OFF !

Why the hell are they still paying people to do nothing productive with Furlough ?
Why the hell are they stopping whole industries from trading properly - reducing GDP and tax take ?
Why the hell are they buying vaccine boosters if the vaccines are 95% effective ?
Why are they spending money on introducing ID cards ?

Johnson is economically illiterate.


Seems like its you & me against the rest of them, why would that be?
Perhaps because the vast majority are sitting under "THE BLOODY TAPS"?
In which case we will never win a vote for the return of sanity, in fact it is not even on offer.
So you may cry in despair or laugh as the world implodes. We get what we voted for.
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"Tax Justice UK" calling for a windfall tax on companies which "cashed in on Covid"... SMT in particular singled out!

See https://www.ii.co.uk/ana...xtra-covid-tax-ii521510
or the full report (a good read) at
https://www.taxjustice.u...its-during-the-pandemic

Summary at the latter link is
Quote:
The report recommends that the Chancellor:

Introduces a one-off windfall tax on pandemic profits made during the pandemic,
Increases the main rate of corporation tax to 25% immediately and closes corporate tax breaks that don’t work, and
Equalises the taxation of capital gains and income.

(raising £8bn, £20bn and £14bn respectively).

Other companies identified as case-studies reaping "Excess pandemic profits" are Asos, Tritax Big Box, Serco, Astrazeneca and Rio Tinto.
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