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Economic Growth-Are lunatics running the economy?
Prof Eman
Posted: 15 May 2012 23:20:39(UTC)
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From Paul Krugman-The conscience of a Liberal.. May 13th 2012 9.22am.
"Eating the Seed Corn.
Jonathan Portes is angry, and rightly so. He points out that the Cameron government is systematically starving public investment.

Public sector net investment (%of GDP) v time (2008 to 2014) follows in the article.

There might conceivably be a justification for this policy if Britain were facing an intense cash squeeze. But it isn't-it's able to borrow very cheaply, with near zero interest rates even on long term borrowing.
And given that public investment is, you know, productive, this is almost surely a case of self-defeating austerity : by shortchanging infrastructure now the Cameron government is saving only a trivial amount on interest payments while reducing long-run growth and hence revenues.
The fact that this passes for responsible behaviour is proof the lunatics are running the economic policy asylum."
Do you agree or not?
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pennfair on 27/06/2012(UTC)
Matthew Charles Flinders
Posted: 16 May 2012 09:47:04(UTC)
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Do you have any figures?

Its a hard one to call really, investment is not done by just the government. more areas of industry have become privatised, where they used to be government controlled. So perhaps this is not a surprise to see a fall in investment from the budget?

Its important to realise that a government partys first agenda is to stay in power, not economic growth/stability.
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 16 May 2012 17:50:45(UTC)
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There is a chart in Krugman's blog here:

The Cameron Gang Slash Public Investment

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Ian Berry on 28/05/2012(UTC), banjofred on 04/10/2012(UTC)
Matthew Charles Flinders
Posted: 17 May 2012 07:55:28(UTC)
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I can only imagine the rest of the developed world has had similar drops in investment. Or we are going to find the next 10-20 years very hard.
Moylando
Posted: 17 May 2012 21:23:15(UTC)
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Prof Eman;14880 wrote:
From Paul Krugman-The conscience of a Liberal.. May 13th 2012 9.22am.
"Eating the Seed Corn.
Jonathan Portes is angry, and rightly so. He points out that the Cameron government is systematically starving public investment.

Public sector net investment (%of GDP) v time (2008 to 2014) follows in the article.

There might conceivably be a justification for this policy if Britain were facing an intense cash squeeze. But it isn't-it's able to borrow very cheaply, with near zero interest rates even on long term borrowing.
And given that public investment is, you know, productive, this is almost surely a case of self-defeating austerity : by shortchanging infrastructure now the Cameron government is saving only a trivial amount on interest payments while reducing long-run growth and hence revenues.
The fact that this passes for responsible behaviour is proof the lunatics are running the economic policy asylum."
Do you agree or not?


Public investment is productive ? No most government capital spending is wasted. e'g NHS systems,
Moylando
Posted: 17 May 2012 21:26:13(UTC)
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No- Governments are good at spending money. They are useless at investing it and achieve little with their capital spending. Leave that to industry
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 18 May 2012 05:17:57(UTC)
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Building roads, railways, schools, hospitals and such helps people get to work, helps businesses move goods, helps provide an educated workforce, helps keep the population fit. This is useful public investment. Whether it is always spent efficiently is another matter.

Public investment is made via private companies which leads to the creation of jobs and profits. Cut public investment and private companies have lower profits and employ fewer people. Hence a fall in public investment is bad news.

Perhaps those who hate the idea of public investment would prefer to have only fee paying schools, fee charging hospitals and GPs, toll roads and turnpike trusts or maybe pack horses? Perhaps they would like to move their manufactures by canal barge? After all canals were built by respectable, purely private investment.

After all, public investment is shocking, disgusting and immoral. Ask any senile fascist.
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 18 May 2012 05:44:26(UTC)
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Treasury examines £20bn growth plan
The Government is examining plans to commit more than £20bn of taxpayer money to infrastructure projects in an effort to rekindle flagging economic growth.
Daily Telegraph reports Tory Treason

Shocking, disgusting and immoral. What do this bunch of "pinko-communist pointy-headed intellectuals" think they are doing? This is sheer socialism!

Prof Eman
Posted: 18 May 2012 10:37:35(UTC)
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Cannot help wondering where the growth in the current climate is going to come from.
Not from exports with the EU in deep trouble.
Not at home.
Not the bottom income group at the sharp end of cuts, killing off their high propensity to spend effect.
Not middle income UK with job losses and job uncertainty.
Not small business with their funding problems.
Not big business, preferring to sit on their cash mountains and wait and see approach.
Not banking/financial services with their job losses and problems.
That just about leaves the Government to spend and invest in the hope of kick starting the economy.
The real problems are best summarised in the in income distribution such as Pen's 'parade of Dwarfs' with their matchstick people, and the Lorenz Curve which keeps bending out more and more from the straight line.
i.e Those who want to spend are getting less and less to spend, those who do not need to spend are getting more and more income.
The net effect is lower aggregate demand and more and more recession.
Jeremy Bosk
Posted: 18 May 2012 11:42:19(UTC)
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Even in the EU, some countries are still growing. The horrific economic destruction that lunatic austerity is causing in the periphery is a small proportion of total EU activity. The rich still consume their luxuries, being largely unaffected by the travails of the poor. Even the poor will continue to consume the basics until suicide or starvation kill them. The British car assembly plants are thriving by exporting.

Exports to the emerging markets are largely unaffected and the UK has ample opportunity to gain market share. The USA has not indulged in quite such severe hair shirt policies - although the poor are victimised there as here. Japan has not suffered anywhere near as much self inflicted pain.

Having mentioned some reasons for hope, I have to agree with the implications of the last post. Life for us all is being made unnecessarily difficult by the right wing ideologues.
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