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lifestrategy v multi index
FarmerDoc
Posted: 26 October 2018 11:18:25(UTC)
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Thanks for highlighting this link. His style of communicating his approach to investing to Google employees is as impressive as the underlying message. A very similar approach is to be found at the following link of 5 short videos from Lars Kroijer -

http://www.kroijer.com/

As someone who has been investing in ITs for over 27 years, I am steadily reinvesting in a Vanguard ETF in my ISA account while my wife is shifting to a Vanguard Life Strategy Fund.

Although this post is about the relative merits of lifestrategy v multi index, what Collins and Kroijer are trying to get across more broadly is the need for adults to develop the life skills for investing to secure their futures in an increasingly unsettled world.
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Siam
Posted: 09 November 2023 03:13:01(UTC)
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I have held VLS 80 for many years and its ticked along nicely

During some reinvesting/restructuring this year I have added the equivalents L&G Multi Index 6 and BlackRock My Map 6 to my mix

Its early days less than a year in but over that timeframe L&G has significantly underperformed vs VLS , MY Map and the Fidelity adventurous option

Does anyone else hold several multi asset options like this?
Any obvious reason for the under performance of L&G's option

Wondering whether to switch. Is it a case diversification means some will be doing poorly but just stick with it and expect at some stage every dog has its day!
xxd09
Posted: 09 November 2023 09:09:24(UTC)
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I would resist the urge to tinker
You have a successful Vanguard fund-just stick with it -it’s a winning strategy-hope you didn’t miss the current upturn in the stockmarket with your new fund adjustments
If so-lesson learned
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Siam on 09/11/2023(UTC)
Aminatidi
Posted: 09 November 2023 09:27:42(UTC)
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I think the L&G funds are more diversified with more asset classes than MyMap and LifeStrategy aren't they?
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Siam on 09/11/2023(UTC)
Tim D
Posted: 09 November 2023 15:00:26(UTC)
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Siam;285513 wrote:
Its early days less than a year in but over that timeframe L&G has significantly underperformed vs VLS , MY Map and the Fidelity adventurous option

Does anyone else hold several multi asset options like this?
Any obvious reason for the under performance of L&G's option


One level down the ladder on "risk level", but I hold both L&G multi-index 5 alongside VLS60 (have a bit over twice as much in VLS60 though).

The reason L&G has lagged is, I think, because while both VLS & L&G MI have a bit of home bias in their equities, L&G MI go further and underweight the USA. And in recent years the US has been the place to be for returns.

For example, Morningstar gives the following equity exposures (just looking at the equities part of those funds):

Vanguard FTSE Global AllCap (ie a global index, so the "natural" market-cap weighted allocation):
USA 60.7%
UK 3.7%

VLS60:
USA 49.3%
UK 22.5%

L&G MI 5:
USA 33.6%
UK 20.2%

From here, who knows really. Plenty think the USA is overvalued and headed for a fall or at best to track sideways for years. OTOH there's plenty have been saying that for years (L&G MI managers amongst them) and missing out on good returns meanwhile.

Siam;285513 wrote:
Wondering whether to switch. Is it a case diversification means some will be doing poorly but just stick with it and expect at some stage every dog has its day!


If you diversify around a bunch of these things you have to accept that only one of them can be the winner over any timescale. If you keep chopping and changing trying to catch "the best one"... you'll probably fail. Or you'll just get lured into the one which is actually taking on a little more risk and at some point that'll come back and bite you. What you have to ask yourself is do you still believe what the managers are trying to do is plausible and whether you still want to buy into that strategy, even if it's underperformed other managers' strategies in recent history (and I wouldn't judge anything on 1-year timescales... I make a point of giving stuff 5 years minimum myself).

Total return chart for last 5 years:
VLS60 vs. L&G MI5

A couple of years ago when everyone was yelling that "value investing is back!" L&G MI did actually outperform VLS60 for a bit, which is why its 3-year numbers show it outperforming over that timescale. But as the 1-year numbers show, we now seem to be back in the same climate that dominated over 5 and even more so over 10 years and US exposure being the key to success. But from here?

While I'm here... "front man" for the L&G MI range used to be Justin Onuekwusi who used to do some very good webinars and videos on what the multi-index funds were trying to do - and drop snappy soundbites like "the concentration conundrum" - before L&G went and locked them all away behind "register as a pro" walls. He seemed to drop out of view and I assumed he'd been promoted upstairs... but I was gutted to see he's just joined SJP!!! https://portfolio-advise...ole-at-st-jamess-place/
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Siam
Posted: 09 November 2023 23:54:14(UTC)
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very helpful thanks Tim
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Tim D on 10/11/2023(UTC)
Thrugelmir
Posted: 10 November 2023 00:16:25(UTC)
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There's only two prices that matter. The one you buy at and the one you sell at. On screen paper profits are just pictures at a point in time. Might make you feel smug and give you a warm glow inside. Congratulating yourself how well you are doing. When the tide turns as it always eventually does. What you see on screen can bring you down to earth with a real jolt.
Harry Gloom
Posted: 10 November 2023 15:19:19(UTC)
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Thrugelmir;285616 wrote:
There's only two prices that matter. The one you buy at and the one you sell at. On screen paper profits are just pictures at a point in time. Might make you feel smug and give you a warm glow inside. Congratulating yourself how well you are doing. When the tide turns as it always eventually does. What you see on screen can bring you down to earth with a real jolt.


And the award for cheery soul of the year goes to...
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Cm258 on 10/11/2023(UTC)
Thrugelmir
Posted: 10 November 2023 18:14:10(UTC)
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Harry Gloom;285679 wrote:
Thrugelmir;285616 wrote:
There's only two prices that matter. The one you buy at and the one you sell at. On screen paper profits are just pictures at a point in time. Might make you feel smug and give you a warm glow inside. Congratulating yourself how well you are doing. When the tide turns as it always eventually does. What you see on screen can bring you down to earth with a real jolt.


And the award for cheery soul of the year goes to...


Too many investors let emotions dictate their investment decisions rather than cold hard logic. You've no friends when trading the markets. There's always somebody else wants to take your shirt off your back.
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North Star on 10/11/2023(UTC)
lenahan
Posted: 11 November 2023 02:49:00(UTC)
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I think a collection of these big investment firm multi asset funds can be a fine choice for both many accumulators and for many drawing down in retirement. With a slug of cash, cheap fees and a sensible withdrawal rate of 3.5% ish they should suit plenty of retirements. I will be using a number of them for my Mum's drawdown part starting imminently.
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