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Capital gains tax
Blunt Instrument
Posted: 24 November 2024 13:57:39(UTC)
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Rookie Investor;326673 wrote:
With my modest non-crystallised gains of £80k in my GIA, it'll take a little over 25 years to do this, assuming the gains stay static.


Reducing the CGT allowance to such a low level, without reintroducing a form of indexation (inflation) allowance, is a form of financial repression directed at holders of unsheltered assets.

Next they come for the shelters....

Eventually, if not booted out, they'll come for everyone / everything.


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Stephen B.
Posted: 24 November 2024 14:07:54(UTC)
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D Bergman;326677 wrote:
So if you do not have to fill in a SA form normally, you should not have to start doing so for capital gains issues that do not exceed these minimums.


And even if you do file an SA return you can just tick the box that says you're within the limits and you won't get a CGT section on the return.

It's also worth noting that you do need to declare a loss if you want to carry it forward - but IIRC it has to be a net loss for everything in the tax year, not just a loss on a specific investment, so if you sell something at a loss it may be better not to sell anything else.
Sara G
Posted: 24 November 2024 14:21:38(UTC)
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Stephen B.;326686 wrote:
D Bergman;326677 wrote:
So if you do not have to fill in a SA form normally, you should not have to start doing so for capital gains issues that do not exceed these minimums.


And even if you do file an SA return you can just tick the box that says you're within the limits and you won't get a CGT section on the return.

It's also worth noting that you do need to declare a loss if you want to carry it forward - but IIRC it has to be a net loss for everything in the tax year, not just a loss on a specific investment, so if you sell something at a loss it may be better not to sell anything else.


Here are the rules on losses:

https://www.gov.uk/capital-gains-tax/losses

You can carry forward losses indefinitely, but they need to be declared within 4 years. This can be done by writing to HMRC.

My understanding is that it isn't just net losses for a year, but losses on individual investments. So if I sell two investments in separate years, the loss from one could offset the declarable gain from the other.
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Guest on 24/11/2024(UTC)
SF100
Posted: 24 November 2024 17:27:35(UTC)
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john x;326560 wrote:
Hello,
A little advice here would be appreciated by me as I've never had to deal with this before and am a bit clueless : My situation is that I inherited a little money and have put the bulk of it into an interest bearing account which will yield approx £1500 till April 2025. I also have a maxed out shares ISA and another standard share dealing account. The latter is doing much better then the former unfortunately and at the moment is up about £3500 (could well change but I thought I would try to understand what I need to do if it stays a winner). Anyway assuming that it stays this way until the new tax year does this mean I could sell £1500 of shares (with the aim of putting the money into the next tax years ISA) before the tax year ends which would bring me to the CGT limit and then fill in a self assessment form for HMRC?


For the avoidance of doubt, your interest yield is not a capital gain, therefore the £3000 capital gains allowance is unaffected by it (assuming that was what you were getting at re £1500+£1500).

Interest yield is subject to income tax, not capital gains tax, regardless whether it was made via inherited money.

Like Ian Eccles said, would recommend creaming off £3000 of a capital gain from your investment funds each tax year.

Future years' capital gain (or loss) calculation could get a tad complex though, if you only do a partial sell of your fund. Especially if you then buy more of it in your GIA at a later date. Strict record keeping or buy & sell unit prices recommended.

Personally, you might wish to consider selling the full fund (as thats a clear line in the sand for calculations), then immediately buy an identical or similar fund less your £3k capital gain. Keeps future gains calcs much simpler i.m.o. However there is a slight risk of the 'market' moving drastically whilst you are out of the fund for a day or three. You should not re-buy the same fund within 30days of selling, otherwise your gain wont have been realised as far as HMRC concerned.
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Guest on 24/11/2024(UTC)
Neminem Laedit
Posted: 24 November 2024 19:24:25(UTC)
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I've posted links to an online proper CGT calculator before.

https://moneyforums.city...oftware.aspx#post311349

Start with a spreadsheet/Google Sheet in the required format and then copy and paste into the calculator.

Remember, if you have bought or sold your shares at different times you will have what is known as a Section 104 holding.
https://www.sharescope.c...ares%20on%20that%20day.

Happily the above calculator takes care of all that, if you enter the data correctly.
john x
Posted: 26 November 2024 06:57:46(UTC)
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Ah thanks for replies I learnt a lot there about cgt
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